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Re: Black box that allows just an A or B DC feed
From: "Barton F Bruce" <barton () gnaps com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:28:24 -0400


You just need two suitably large diodes. Big ones need heatsinks.

You will find some of the rack-top fuse panel makers that include diode "OR-ing" their main A and B feeds. No 
switchover time at
all. The power is just there.

Pretty sure Telect has some. Beware of Hendry. Good stuff, but savagely overpriced unless you are buying Bell class 
quantities and a
huge percent of neat options in the catalog seem to never have been built! They offer every weird combo anyone might 
want, and then
build when they see the order. You WILL wait if it isn't a popular item on some distributor's shelf.

The Canadian NoranTel folks are VERY responsive and make a nice 1U 200 AMPS per A/B feed panel that has up to 50 amps 
for each of 4
A/B outputs as well as a pile of grasshopper outputs for smaller up to 15 AMP loads. The unit we get does not have 
diodes, but if
they don't have something suitable, these folks are very responsive to new products fast.

There may even be some fuse panel vendor with those diodes on the individual outputs., but I don't remember any.

Even worse than that single input device is the sleazy device that LOOKS as though it has dual inputs but is actually 
single input
with the 2 connections bussed together with no blocking diodes (and no woarnin to customers...) and when wired as 2 
seperate inputs
will gleefully backfeed A to B or B to A depending on what died. This is no problem if a fuse/breaker to just this 
device dies, but
when a main A or B feed dies (either to the rack or worse to a BDFB/CDBD)  everything else on that panel is now being 
backfead via
the clueless device.

Cisco's CERENT 15454 SONET ADMs will try this for you and the result is typically just losing the 15454 needlessly when 
a main fuse
feeding it blows because its own fuses can't carry  the rest of the rack/room/<whatever> that it is trying to backfeed 
and the wrong
one of those 2 fuses to the 15454 may well go first. And a SONET ADM is not what you want to have die - especially 
needlessly.

We have been seriously considering making a small diode-or device just for the darn 15454s. Main fuses don't go often, 
but techs
have been known to intentionally kill an A or a B feed for safety during maintenance when they are "sure" everything is 
dual fed.
Just warn them about 15454s so they can kill the correct backfeed path first.

NB that the fuse panel with diode OR-ed main inputs does fix the backfeed liability, but does not give you the backup 
of two
individual device fuses for the single input device.





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "james" <hackerwacker () tarpit cybermesa com>
To: <nanog () nanog org>
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 1:38 PM
Subject: Black box that allows just an A or B DC feed


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I have a device that only has one DC power input. Is there a box that
can accept an A & B DC leg, keep both isolated, & and feed my
device with just A or B ? ie, if the A or B leg fails at the co-lo
this blackbox will switch to what ever leg is up. Quickly, I hope !

Or are there other ways to solve this issue ?

James Edwards
Routing and Security Administrator
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