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Re: Security team successfully cracks SSL using 200 PS3's and MD5
From: Joe Greco <jgreco () ns sol net>
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 21:30:51 -0600 (CST)

Neil wrote:

Do people here really so quickly forget things?  There was a talk on
Carnivore given in 2000 at NANOG 20, IIRC, and I believe that one of the
instigating causes of that talk was problems that Earthlink had experienced
when the FBI had deployed Carnivore there.

Naturally.  The NSA isn't filled with theorists who want to get the
job done the "right" way.  They have a mission to fulfill, and they'll
use whatever tool works to get it done.

Just a slight point of order, here. Carnivore (and its successor, 
DCS1000) were used by, and developed by, the FBI. The NSA use other 
stuff. Let's get back to reality, anyway.

Both the FBI and NSA are our "national security people."  Since there are
not many visible examples of failures of NSA technology, and because such
failures are more likely to be covered up, pointing out an obvious screwup
that was more readily visible seems reasonable.  As a further point of
order, I expect that the NSA has access to any tools that the FBI has
developed, if and when they ask for them, especially now, in our new and
less compartmentalized homeland security infrastructure.

Unless, of course, you're saying that you work for the NSA and you
actually know this not to be the case, in which case, do tell.

... JG
-- 
Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net
"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN)
With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.


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