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RE: State of QoS peering in Nanog
From: "Stefan Fouant" <sfouant () shortestpathfirst net>
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 12:50:45 -0400

-----Original Message-----
From: Leo Bicknell [mailto:bicknell () ufp org]
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:24 PM

But it also only affects priority queue traffic.  I realize I'm making
a value judgment, but many customers under DDoS would find things
vastly improved if their video conferencing went down, but everything
else continued to work (if slowly), compared to today when everything
goes down.

I'd like to observe that discussion when the Netflix guys come calling on
the support line - "Hey Netflix, yeah you're under attack and your
subscribers can't watch videos at the moment, but the good news is that all
other apps running on our network are currently unaffected". ;>

In closing, I want to push folks back to the buffer bloat issue though.
More than once I've been asked to configure QoS on the network to
support VoIP, Video Conferencing or the like.  These things were
deployed and failed to work properly.  I went into the network and
_reduced_ the buffer sizes, and _increased_ packet drops.  Magically
these applications worked fine, with no QoS.

Video conferencing can tolerate a 1% packet drop, but can't tolerate a
4 second buffer delay.  Many people today who want QoS are actually
suffering from buffer bloat. :(

Concur 100%.  In my experience, I've gotten much better performance w/
VoIP/Video Conferencing and other delay-intolerant applications when setting
buffer sizes to a temporal value rather than based on a _fixed_ number of

Stefan Fouant

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