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Re: gmail dropping mesages
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk-lists () cybernothing org>
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 17:08:16 -0700
On Apr 25, 2011, at 10:12 AM, Jeff Mitchell wrote:
If you trust the issued certificates(!) being used to sign the mail, you at least have a good indication that the
spam is coming from the domain that it says it's coming from. This can make spam blocking much more effective because
instead of simply hoping that a domain-based blocklist will block spam and not ham (due to spoofed sender addresses),
you have a pretty good feeling that this will be the case.
Of course this relies on various other bits and pieces to fall into place, such as properly handling such messages
(Gmail's detection and handling rules aren't public AFAIK), CAs not being compromised, etc. Not to mention that the
spammers can simply register another domain and buy a new cert -- but then the argument above still holds.
DKIM doesn't use purchased certificates. It's all self-signed.
As for catching spammers, using d= as an identifier is more effective at finding the good stuff than the bad stuff. So
if this list were signed by nanog.org, we (or our reputation systems) could all recognize that mail signed d=nanog.org
rarely resulted in user complaints, and thus it must be mail the users want to receive; conversely, mail which spoofs
nanog.org but is not signed can safely* be stored in the big bit bucket in the cloud.
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* assuming nanog.org signs ALL mail -- but that's another long discussion
Re: gmail dropping mesages William Allen Simpson (Apr 23)