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Re: Sad IPv4 story?
From: Joel jaeggli <joelja () bogus com>
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 21:51:14 -0800

On 12/12/11 02:05 , Leigh Porter wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Vitkovsky, Adam
[mailto:avitkovsky () emea att com] Sent: 12 December 2011 09:19 To:
Eric Parsonage; Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu Cc: nanog () nanog org 
Subject: RE: Sad IPv4 story?

and models that doesn't take "we may not get IPv4 space" into
and have
a contingency plan for that *deserves* to be soundly mocked and
ridiculed in

That's right

However the original post was concerning a fresh new ISP that can't
run their business the way they would like Maybe they'd like to
build an mpls core which right now is not possible with only ipv6
at hand I'd like to see the business model to build an mpls network
with all the features we're used to -but solely on ipv6 -I guess
the plan would be let's wait a couple years till it gets
implemented and mature enough

Well really this is pretty much our fault. IPv6 has been on peoples
'back burner' for far too long. Additional vendor pressure and
pressure at the IETF would have pushed things forward far faster had
people actually been interested in doing so.

As per an earlier post, I am shocked at how I still have vendors
coming to me with equipment that is nowhere near ready for commercial
IPv6 deployment, it either just does not work, is half baked or is
"on the roadmap".

So now we will reap the consequences and it will be at the cost of
new market entrants (which I am sure will please some people) and
perhaps cold hard cash for those who cannot expand their business or
have to 'buy' address space.

New market entrants are the customers of existing operators, so their
plight and the feasibility of being a new market entrant  impacts our
bottom lines.

I know a lot of people have been working hard to move IPv6 along both
here, at NANOG and other events and with their vendors. It's because
of those people, like Randy perhaps that we actually have what we do
now else most people would still be stuck with their heads in the

Well, I am sure it'll all be OK in the end...

-- Leigh


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