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Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?
From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:52:24 -0700

Agreed. My point was that the police have the least of all emergency services to do with protection of life and 
property and that a gun or a dog only helps you with the functions that they can perform.

People depend on 911 for much more than just police and if you're trying to come up with an alternate plan, it's much 
more important to address the questions of emergency medical services and fire protection than the relatively lower 
risk of threats from an intruder.


On Aug 5, 2012, at 05:50 , Peter Kristolaitis <alter3d () alter3d ca> wrote:

My point is more along the line of if you're depending on a service which provides only best-effort on uptime (as 
Bill Herrin mentioned, some providers can barely manage 2 nines of 911 uptime) and to which you're connected by a 
single, fault-prone connection, and which provides no guarantee of service even if you CAN contact them,  calling it 
"critical" is kind of a joke, and you'd probably get laughed at by a risk analyst.  If you're serious about 
protecting health and home, you'd  better have some other plan in place that doesn't have a ridiculous number of 
single points of failure.


Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> wrote:

I've never met a dog properly trained in ACLS and I'm pretty sure that a gun isn't even useful for BLS.


On Aug 4, 2012, at 7:53 PM, Peter Kristolaitis <alter3d () alter3d ca> wrote:

Considering that none of the services that can be dispatched by 911 are legally required to help you  in most North 
American jurisdictions (i.e. if you call 911 and the police don't respond until they finish eating their box of 
donuts, they're not criminally or civilly liable), having working 911 services really doesn't guarantee you 
anything. Most security monitoring companies have contracts that are completely worthless and guarantee nothing as 

If you're depending on 911 for life safety and property protection, I'd recommend revising that plan to include a 
dog and/or gun.  :-)  

- Pete

Nathan Eisenberg <nathan () atlasnetworks us> wrote:

Residences aren't critical infrastructure, no matter how angry the owners get.

911 access isn't a critical service?  Fire and security panels aren't critical services?

If basic life safety and property protection aren't critical services, I'm not sure what is.  These are peoples' 
lives and families and homes.  There is nothing - repeat, nothing - more important than that.  It is absolutely a 
critical service.

Nathan Eisenberg

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