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Re: DNS Changer items
From: joel jaeggli <joelja () bogus com>
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 10:49:06 -0700
On 8/15/12 10:24 AM, Leo Bicknell wrote:
The right people in this case are the one's with the broken PC's. The
misbehavior associated with the prefix was dealt with some time ago.
In a message written on Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 08:01:15AM -0700, joel jaeggli wrote:
Remediation of whatever wrong with a given prefix is an active activity,
it's not likely to go away unless the prefix is advertised.
Actually, that's not true on two fronts.
From a business relationship front, if the problem is contacting
the right people when the "right people" have been arrested and now
some police agent now needs to generate the right paperwork, produce
court paperwork, see a judge, time will absolutely help.
Courts already did that, name-servers with that prefix range were
operated by ISC from november 9th 2011 to July 9th 2012 at the request
of the FBI.
I can see
a scenario here where it might have been worked out to transfer the
block to the appropriate law enformcement agency for a year (with
them paying the usual fees) such that they could wind this down in
an orderly way.
Were configured to hit, if they still are they've been broken for a
while, or are being kept on life support by ISPs.
If the problem is technical badness, the block has appeared on
blacklists or grey lists, or been placed in to temporary filters
to block DNS changer badness time will also help. Most (although
not all) of those activities are aged out. As ISP's stop seeing
hits on their DNS changed ACL's because the machines have been
cleaned up they will remove them. Greylists will age out.
Indeed both of these is why there is a "cooling off" period in place
now at all RIR's. They have been proven to work. Previously in
some cases they were 6-12 months though, and what the community has
said is that given that we're out of IPv4 those time periods should
be shorter. The question becomes how much shorter? Clearly holding
them back for 1 day isn't long enough to make any business or
technical difference. The community is saying 6-12 months is too
I am saying 6 weeks sounds too short to me, but if it is appropriate
for "ordinary" blocks there needs to be an exception for extrodinary
ones. From time to time we hear about blocks like DNSChanger that
millions of boxes are configured to hit,
in any event they're aren't millions anymore there are perhaps low
thousands of broken computers.
The university of Wisconsin seems like an unlikely candidate to give up
it's prefix over that.
or I remember the University
of Wisconsin DDOSed by NTP queries from some consumer routers. When
the box still has high levels of well known, active badness, perhaps
it should be held back longer.
It is unlikely in the extreme that what remains when that prefix is
advertised is 100s of megabits of DOS. that said as a potential
recipient of such a prefix, I'd probably be willing to accept a fair
amount of garbage if the alternative is not having one. I fully expect
quality of ipv4 prefixes available for re-assignment to continue to drop.
In the case of dns changer, I would think that if you don't have working
DNS for long enough you're going to have your computer fixed or throw it
out. if you were an operator using that prefix to prevent customer
breakage you should be on notice that's not sustainable indefinitely or
indeed for much longer.
The problem here isn't just the infected computers. Would you want to
receive a netblock from an RIR that came with tens or hundreds of
megabits of DDOS, I mean, background noise when you turned it on?
Whoever receives this block is in for a world of hurt.
Re: DNS Changer items Leo Bicknell (Aug 15)
Re: DNS Changer items TJ (Aug 15)