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Re: Fair Use Policy
From: "Robert E. Seastrom" <rs () seastrom com>
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:01:22 -0400


Hi Shahab,

You can find out how much bandwidth they're using by having that
reported periodically via RADIUS (or at least when the session ends,
worst case).  Store in database.  SELECT sum(blah) from foo where id="bar".

Next question is what do you want to do to them once they exceed their
bandwidth?  Drop them into a walled garden (different Virtual-Template
/ address pool)?  Turn their service off?  Rate shape the heck out of
them so they feel like it's 1993?

-r

Shahab Vahabzadeh <sh.vahabzadeh () gmail com> writes:

Dear Owen,
Would you please describe this some how more in my bussiness plan?
I have both limited and unlimited users.
For example I have these services in my package:
512Kb-5GB-1Month
256Kb-Unlimit-1Month
And like this.
Thanks

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> wrote:

Right... more specific aspect of the same coin. If you have adequate
facilities, you don't need to shape users.
If you have users that are overconsuming for your pricing model, there are
two good solutions:

1. Raise the prices enough for everyone that you can absorb these users.
 2. Implement usage-based charges (or usage based charges above a certain
usage tier) that cause these users to either self-regulate or pay for the
necessary
 upgrades to your infrastructure.

Claiming to deliver "unlimited" service and then shaping it is, IMHO, a
questionable business practice at best.

Owen

On Aug 22, 2012, at 12:06 , Shahab Vahabzadeh <sh.vahabzadeh () gmail com>
wrote:

What I am talking mostly is some services like COA, in which you can
change users shape time-base and periodically without disconnecting them.

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:33 PM, Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> wrote:

If you want to control usage that way, sell a metered product. Bill the
heavy users more for their usage.

Otherwise, price your services such that you can build adequate upstream
capacity to serve your users.

I'm not a fan of using "rateshaping" (which is what you are describing)
to cover for inadequate facilities.

Owen

On Aug 22, 2012, at 11:57 , Shahab Vahabzadeh <sh.vahabzadeh () gmail com>
wrote:

Dear Owen,
As you know in pick time of internet usage like midnight in which we have
free-access times too, some users which really want to use internet for
their daily usage and not downloading or using peer-to-peer services
unfairly affecting this problem.
Some companies are using some polices for users to solve this problem.
Do you have any Idea?
Thanks

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> wrote:

I think the first step would be to define what you mean by fair use.

Are you talking in the DMCA sense of the term, the legal sense of the
term as applies
to IP in other areas, or something else?

Owen

On Aug 22, 2012, at 11:40 , Shahab Vahabzadeh <sh.vahabzadeh () gmail com>
wrote:

Hello Everybody,
Has any body any good and easy setup idea for "Fair Use Policy"
service for
my xdsl customers?!
Can do this in the BRAS side and nothing done with accounting and
radius?
Thanks

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--
Regards,
Shahab Vahabzadeh, Network Engineer and System Administrator

Cell Phone: +1 (415) 871 0742
PGP Key Fingerprint = 8E34 B335 D702 0CA7 5A81  C2EE 76A2 46C2 5367 BF90





--
Regards,
Shahab Vahabzadeh, Network Engineer and System Administrator

Cell Phone: +1 (415) 871 0742
PGP Key Fingerprint = 8E34 B335 D702 0CA7 5A81  C2EE 76A2 46C2 5367 BF90





-- 
Regards,
Shahab Vahabzadeh, Network Engineer and System Administrator

Cell Phone: +1 (415) 871 0742
PGP Key Fingerprint = 8E34 B335 D702 0CA7 5A81  C2EE 76A2 46C2 5367 BF90


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