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Re: Fair Use Policy
From: Bacon Zombie <baconzombie () gmail com>
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:06:34 +0100

I how you are talking about 3G or there is a typo.
An ISP with a 5GB cap that is charging the end user more then 5$ total
{including line rental} a month should not be allow to operate.

And if your infrastructure and handle 25% at a minimum maxing out their
connect them don't advertise " unlimited " since you can't provide it and
it is false advertising.

The world would be a better place if ISPs that either throttled, cut off or
added on extra charges to the end users bill were fined to hell for false
advertising and repeat offenders were named and shamed on a public website.
 On 22 Aug 2012 20:42, "Shahab Vahabzadeh" <sh.vahabzadeh () gmail com> wrote:

Dear Owen,
Would you please describe this some how more in my bussiness plan?
I have both limited and unlimited users.
For example I have these services in my package:
512Kb-5GB-1Month
256Kb-Unlimit-1Month
And like this.
Thanks

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> wrote:

Right... more specific aspect of the same coin. If you have adequate
facilities, you don't need to shape users.
If you have users that are overconsuming for your pricing model, there
are
two good solutions:

1. Raise the prices enough for everyone that you can absorb these users.
 2. Implement usage-based charges (or usage based charges above a certain
usage tier) that cause these users to either self-regulate or pay for the
necessary
 upgrades to your infrastructure.

Claiming to deliver "unlimited" service and then shaping it is, IMHO, a
questionable business practice at best.

Owen

On Aug 22, 2012, at 12:06 , Shahab Vahabzadeh <sh.vahabzadeh () gmail com>
wrote:

What I am talking mostly is some services like COA, in which you can
change users shape time-base and periodically without disconnecting them.

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:33 PM, Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> wrote:

If you want to control usage that way, sell a metered product. Bill the
heavy users more for their usage.

Otherwise, price your services such that you can build adequate upstream
capacity to serve your users.

I'm not a fan of using "rateshaping" (which is what you are describing)
to cover for inadequate facilities.

Owen

On Aug 22, 2012, at 11:57 , Shahab Vahabzadeh <sh.vahabzadeh () gmail com>
wrote:

Dear Owen,
As you know in pick time of internet usage like midnight in which we
have
free-access times too, some users which really want to use internet for
their daily usage and not downloading or using peer-to-peer services
unfairly affecting this problem.
Some companies are using some polices for users to solve this problem.
Do you have any Idea?
Thanks

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> wrote:

I think the first step would be to define what you mean by fair use.

Are you talking in the DMCA sense of the term, the legal sense of the
term as applies
to IP in other areas, or something else?

Owen

On Aug 22, 2012, at 11:40 , Shahab Vahabzadeh <sh.vahabzadeh () gmail com

wrote:

Hello Everybody,
Has any body any good and easy setup idea for "Fair Use Policy"
service for
my xdsl customers?!
Can do this in the BRAS side and nothing done with accounting and
radius?
Thanks

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--
Regards,
Shahab Vahabzadeh, Network Engineer and System Administrator

Cell Phone: +1 (415) 871 0742
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--
Regards,
Shahab Vahabzadeh, Network Engineer and System Administrator

Cell Phone: +1 (415) 871 0742
PGP Key Fingerprint = 8E34 B335 D702 0CA7 5A81  C2EE 76A2 46C2 5367 BF90





--
Regards,
Shahab Vahabzadeh, Network Engineer and System Administrator

Cell Phone: +1 (415) 871 0742
PGP Key Fingerprint = 8E34 B335 D702 0CA7 5A81  C2EE 76A2 46C2 5367 BF90



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