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Re: Fair Use Policy
From: Benjamin Krueger <benjamin () seattlefenix net>
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:46:56 -0700

A unique position? Unlike those poor residential ISPs who only have literally millions of subscribers to use as 
leverage in peering negotiations. Perhaps more accurately, rather than saying "Google can afford to start almost any 
project they want" we should say "Google doesn't suffer the temptation of wringing every last penny out of their aging 
infrastructure to ensure maximum profits from minimal investments".

I don't want to turn this into a long-drawn debate, so I'll simply say that I take Google at their word when they say 
this is profitable from Day 1 and I surely take their product offering at its word. I'm not sure who proposed we 
require anything, but I suppose we can let the market decide what ISPs are "required" to do. I can say that I don't 
know anyone who wouldn't drop any existing residential service for what Google is selling. Perhaps they will succumb to 
some unforeseen boogeyman as you allude to, but to be honest that sounds a whole lot like the wishful thinking of an 
industry that has been deftly out-manueverd at its own game and now finds itself dramatically behind the curve. 
Frankly, if I were in the ISP business I would be shitting my pants.

On Aug 22, 2012, at 6:05 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote:

On 8/22/12, Benjamin Krueger <benjamin () seattlefenix net> wrote:
Yeah, totally can't be done. It especially can't be done profitably.

Google can afford to start almost any project they want,  and they are
in a unique position to negotiate peering and access to a ton of
bandwidth, with their Youtube, Google Search et al. As to whether  it
will be profitable, well, obviously, that is their claim. It's yet to
be demonstrated.

I gotta reject the idea that broadband providers should be required to
follow in Google's footsteps though.

For now, Google fiber is another risky experiment,  that could have a
great payout if successful, or could be shuttered within a year or so,
or fees/rate incs tacked on,  when they figure out just what a mess
they have gotten into.



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