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RE: UDP port 80 DDoS attack
From: George Bonser <gbonser () seven com>
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 18:05:03 +0000
Of course it's not possible ... if you use a crummy design. It's
trivial to come up with non-completely-crummy designs. For example,
adding a front-end where you take a hash of source-ip/dest-ip and run
it through a smallish hash table, you can use that as a filter to
eliminate a lot of traffic that's just normal and non-interesting. You
want to take a closer look at the traffic that's heaviest (read: most
hits) or new and significant (read: diff against an hour ago). You
probably don't want to do this just per-IP, but likely also per-
I think one of the problems is that with modern bot-nets, traffic can be generated by a huge number of hosts and
assuming your DoS traffic is coming from a source that can be blocked might be an unreasonable expectation. You can't
assume that you are going to get a flood of traffic from some source that you can pin down and block. You might get
flood of traffic from tens of thousands of source IPs from all over the world with each one sending only a very small
amount AND the source IPs constantly changing. They might even be sending traffic that looks perfectly legitimate on
the surface and might need to be profiled/fingerprinted in some manner at layer 4. It isn't as easy as just handling
it at the router. And there is no guarantee the source IP of the traffic is really where it is coming from since there
are still a good number of providers out there who don't install packet filters on their customer links. They accept
any traffic their customer sends them even if the source IP isn't within the customer's network range. So that is part
of the game, too. If you have 10,000 hosts sending packets with spoofed IP addresses where the goal is to get you to
block the apparent source network, as soon as you block those source addresses, the DoS has succeeded.
And you probably don't want to use just this one technique,
you want to combine it with others.
I think "probably" is the wrong word here. The word "certainly" leaps to mind.
And you probably need to consider
the types of attacks that are known, likely, etc., and design
accordingly, because this one little example I've provided is just one
part of a comprehensive solution, but it is capable of dealing with any
amount of traffic and it would be a very useful filter to start pulling
out potentially interesting stuff.
The problem is that you have a game of cat and mouse with what amounts to an infinite supply of mice. It takes
cooperation between the source and the provider networks. The "eyeball" heavy networks need to ensure they can't
source bogus traffic. Having gear these days where the ACLs are in hardware has greatly reduced the CPU expense of
filtering on edge ports but the human resource expense of maintaining those is still high unless automation is brought
into the mix so that those filters are changed when the addresses served by a port change.
This stuff isn't *easy*. Fine. But it certainly *is* possible.
Of course it isn't easy. It is designed to be difficult. But there is plenty of "low hanging fruit" out there still.
Re: UDP port 80 DDoS attack Matthew Palmer (Feb 06)
Re: UDP port 80 DDoS attack John Kristoff (Feb 10)