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Re: IPv6 and HTTPS
From: Jimmy Hess <mysidia () gmail com>
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 18:32:23 -0500

On 4/28/13, Randy Bush <randy () psg com> wrote:
-- for example: large Cable providers getting together and agreeing to
 implement a 100ms RTT latency penalty for IPv4
we do not see intentionally damaging our customers as a big sales
feature.  but we think all our competitors should do so.

Yes,  I do realize,  that because IPv6 is an external benefit
situation,  where on the whole the public avoids pain and then
benefits on the whole, with IPv6 adoption,  but for the benefits to be
obtained,  an internal cost is required  with no individual benefit
for a network user (or provider),  the actors that would need to
participate:  no individual ISP should currently see it as a big sales
feature to make their IPv4 service worse,  and no end user should see
IPv6  as something they need to jump on.

But nonetheless, there are ISPs that have undergone the cost to become
So at least,  there is  (at some level),  in some cases,  a potential
willingness  of providers
to make some sacrifices that ultimately provide greater benefit  to
the network community.

So something like penalize IPv4,  or disconnect from IPv4,  or
government mandated IPv6,  begin to sound like a good idea,  only
because there aren't better options,  to persuade end users to  ignore
short-term pains, adopt IPv6,   and  let  everyone  derive the
long-term benefits of IPv6.


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