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Re: IPv6 and HTTPS
From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 01:19:32 -0700
On Apr 28, 2013, at 6:37 PM, Jimmy Hess <mysidia () gmail com> wrote:
On 4/28/13, Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> wrote:
I don't see turning IPv4 off as a short-term goal for anyone.
OTOH, I do see the cost of maintaining residential IPv4 service escalating
over about the next 5-7 years.
Yes... Which I interpret to result in an outcome of less service,
for more cost, for residential users, eventually, as long as IPv4
addresses remain demanded in a quantity greater than the number
The math says that won't work out well. Looks like it is far more economical
for residential providers to simply stop providing IPv4 to any customer that
chooses not to pay a premium for it (steep premium at that).
Either (a) CGN, or (b) Fewer IPv4 subscriptions at higher price per
subscription, than would otherwise occured (if IPv4 addresses were
Is there another possible outcome for residential IPv4 experience that
you see as likely?
Depends. Unless there is sufficient mass of residential subscribers willing
to pay the premium for CGN (unlikely in my estimation), it'll make the most
sense for residential providers to simply turn off IPv4 services and tell laggard
web sites like Amazon that they are SOL in terms of getting further business
from those customers.
(Either of those two scenarios is most likely to result in less
connectivity, fewer network users, higher cost, and worst service per
Briefly… Shortly thereafter, it will result in a mad dash by the afflicted content
providers to get their act together with IPv6.
On the other hand... price tag $X for IPv6+IPv4, no option for
just IPv4, and price tag $X / 2 for just IPv6.
Well, either way you look at it (I think in terms of $X for IPv6, $X*2 for
dual-stack) where $X is close to what you pay today. The math works
out the same, roughly.
Could provide motivation for the residential users (and their
destinations) to move towards IPv6. Once a large enough quantity
had moved towards IPv6 only, the price could return to $X for IPv6
The destinations are the actual problem. The residential users don't care
all that much as long as they can reach their destinations. The only remaining
problem once the destinations are addressed are the consumer electronics
that lack IPv6 support. That's a much easier problem to work around.
And the price difference could be structured in other forms (not
necessarily as a subscription price difference), it could take a
non-monetary form, such as increased privilege, or more bandwidth
(greater throughput, higher cap) for IPv6 only users, etc.
Probably not. It's the cost of providing IPv4 services that will escalate. As
such, to do what you are suggesting, they'd have to raise everyone's
subscription prices at the same time as well.
RE: IPv6 and HTTPS Harry Hoffman (Apr 26)
Re: IPv6 and HTTPS Jakob Heitz (Apr 29)