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Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
From: Warren Bailey <wbailey () satelliteintelligencegroup com>
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 23:27:33 +0000

Now we are partying! Let me get on my computer so I can respond.


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-------- Original message --------
From: Ryan Wilkins <ryan () deadfrog net>
Date: 04/30/2013 3:16 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design () gmail com>
Cc: Warren Bailey <wbailey () satelliteintelligencegroup com>,"Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron () heyaaron com>,members () 
wispa org,NANOG mailing list <nanog () nanog org>
Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?


If you need more than a megabit, don't forget to factor in the link budget and the resulting power and hardware 
requirements to support larger bandwidths.  Then you're looking at something that is probably not available today on 
the island.  If the connection needs to be up 24/7, even in heavy rains, then you're looking at something in C-band 
which then requires a larger antenna.  You'll be hard pressed to do any real bandwidth at Ku-band with anything less 
than a 1.2m antenna.  C-band, you're looking at 3.7m or so minimum.

The Ku-band iDirect system I manage for the City of Chicago runs 3 Mbps up and 3 Mbps down at Ku-band.  There are 6 
remotes on the system, 5 are vehicles.  The vehicle antennas are 1.2m but they require 25 Watt amplifiers to reliably 
close the link all the time.  Clear day is fine on much less power.  Heavy rains, forget it.  25 Watts isn't enough.

On Apr 30, 2013, at 5:24 PM, Mike Hale <eyeronic.design () gmail com> wrote:

Bingo.  And you're absolutely right in that setting it up can be really fast.

But cheap?  Not for a quality connection.

On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Warren Bailey
<wbailey () satelliteintelligencegroup com> wrote:
Depends.. Space segment runs from 1300 a mhz for inclined all the way to 6k
a month a mhz for hard to get weird stuff. We oversub to make the economics
work often.


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-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design () gmail com>
Date: 04/30/2013 2:22 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Warren Bailey <wbailey () satelliteintelligencegroup com>
Cc: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon () gmail com>,"Aaron C. de Bruyn"
<aaron () heyaaron com>,members () wispa org,NANOG mailing list <nanog () nanog org>
Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?


Yeah, how many thousands is it per meg of space segment?

On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Warren Bailey
<wbailey () satelliteintelligencegroup com> wrote:
Says.. Who?


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-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design () gmail com>
Date: 04/30/2013 2:19 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Warren Bailey <wbailey () satelliteintelligencegroup com>
Cc: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon () gmail com>,"Aaron C. de Bruyn"
<aaron () heyaaron com>,members () wispa org,NANOG mailing list
<nanog () nanog org>
Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?


It's the quickest but certainly not the cheapest.

On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Warren Bailey
<wbailey () satelliteintelligencegroup com> wrote:
I suggested VSAT. Probably the quickest and cheapest.


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-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon () gmail com>
Date: 04/30/2013 1:35 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: "Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron () heyaaron com>,members () wispa org
Cc: NANOG mailing list <nanog () nanog org>
Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?


Aaron,

Cross-posting this over to the WISPA list to see if there are any
Wireless
ISPs over there that can help you.

-Mike



On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn
<aaron () heyaaron com>wrote:

I just had a client drop an interesting requirement on me.

They are on Andros Island (Bahamas) for about a year.  I'm working on
getting an exact address from the adminisphere above me, but all I've
been
told so far is they are 'near the naval base'.

They just called and said "We need internet access yesterday".

None of the people on-site are technical, and all their data is accessed
via RDP on a server in the United States.

Having never been there, I have no idea if it's like downtown San
Francisco
where the internet grows on trees, or if it's like the Sahara desert
which
might require dragging your own fiber in on camelback...

Does anyone have pointers on who to talk to or how I can get them
internet
access?

-A




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408-621-4826
mike.lyon () gmail com

http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon




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