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Re: Inevitable death, was Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix
From: Steve Noble <snoble () sonn com>
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 16:34:00 -0700

Hi Jared,

I know you will see the irony in my next statement..

Brett: you should talk to level 3 again, they are looking to connect to
anyone to help with Netflix connectivity.


The above URL is a great place to start.
On Jul 17, 2014 5:21 AM, "Jared Mauch" <jared () puck nether net> wrote:

On Jul 15, 2014, at 9:48 PM, George Herbert <george.herbert () gmail com>

On Jul 15, 2014, at 5:02 PM, Brett Glass <nanog () brettglass com> wrote:

At 05:10 PM 7/15/2014, George Herbert wrote:

Layer3 runs right through Laramie. With a redundant run slightly
south.  What conversations have you had with them?...

At first, Level3 completely refused us. Then, they quoted us a rate
several times higher than either of our existing upstreams for bandwidth.
Even at that price, they refused to let us link to them via wireless
(requiring us to either buy easements or buy land adjacent to their
building, which sits on rented land).

Local fiber provider?  How does everyone else tie in to Layer3 in

And, find a Layer3 reseller who can handle the cost problem.  There are
a bunch.  I can recommend one privately if you can't find one.

Buying retail markups from the vendor who wants to sell wholesale only
does not scale.

The problem is partly a technological one.  If you have a fiber span from
east<-> west it doesn't make sense to OEO when you can just plop in a bidi
amplifier.  That OEO cost isn't "very high", but hitting every city like
that becomes expensive quickly.  This is why your 10G from EQUINIX-SJ to
EQUNIX-ASH costs the same as the 10G loop from the DC to your local office.
 The cost is the OEO ends.  If you're not in a fiber rich environment you
are screwed.  I have at&t fiber less than 1200 feet from me but they do not
offer any non-dialtone services in my area.  I'm all-poles to the end of
the new comcast segment as well but due to a mid-part that doesn't have the
density required to meet their metrics there continue to be only fixed
wireless choices here.

Others have suggested the UBNT gear.  I'm using it myself, but I'll say..
it still leaves a lot to be desired.  It's mostly meant for use in less
developed countries.  Their latest 5Ghz access gear often takes 6-12 months
to get FCC certified to operate in the full 5ghz band.  With the recent
opening all the way down to 5.1 this spring with the FCC that certification
process restarted.  They are great for hopping short distances at high
speeds in the US, but are very susceptible to interference.  (The NanoBeam,
now PowerBeam is a bit better).

my backhaul is 3 miles and works well for my use case.  Cheaper than the
T1 before and higher speeds.  There's a lot of people in wispa around the
edges you can find doing things, and many others doing it that aren't in
wispa.  Most are small businesses (Some are larger) and suffer from poor
business choices, but the biggest problem I see is lack of ability to get
high speed access as Brett is commenting.  Prices may be low at the major
DCs but out in these areas expect $10/Mb or more, sometimes not including

- Jared

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