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Re: raw-sockets and Win-XP SP2
From: "Leigh" <hst () iprimus com au>
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 04:37:51 +1000

I am beta testing XP SP2 and I think nmap is working okay for me thus far (although I have had horrendous problems with programs that use packet.dll even in XP SP1 & nmap always wants -P0 but I thought this may have something to do with my IDS). We are currently on release 2 of the SP and I am with no idea when the final is. Judging by the number of people whinging on the listserv with nasty errors in the networking/security aspects - it will probably be a long while coming.

I have quizzed them about why they are doing this & I'll let you know what they say (if/when I get a reply). And yeah, Steve Gibson is an arse who I guess happens to release good utilities for noob windows users every once in a while. What is he going on about anyway?, to my knowledge there are no trojans or worms that exclusively use raw sockets? but I could be wrong about that.

It appears that we would need is the negative of his existing "socket lock" program (that unfortunately *disables* :( raw sockets), im sure it would be possible for some bright spark to code.

Leigh
hst () iprimus com au

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gisle Vanem" <giva () bgnett no>
To: "Nmap-dev" <nmap-dev () insecure org>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 2:47 AM
Subject: raw-sockets and Win-XP SP2


I've heard strong rumours that the upcoming Win-XP SP2 will disable
the use of SOCK_RAW sockets for any user (admin included). This
will certainly hurt the use of nmap on Win-XP unless we go with
libnet for all platforms.

Steve Gibson (of www.grc.com) has been talking about the danger
of raw-sockets for years; "... have ANY practical need for raw
sockets" [*] he claims. Yeah right. Seems MS is now listening to
him. Yet for years they have deprecated the use of the ICMP API for
ping-like programs. And advised us to use SOCK_RAW instead. Back
to using icmp.dll again I guess.

I for one will not install the service-pack unless there's a loop-hole
to enable SOCK_RAW again. Anyone with additional info on this?

[*] http://www.grc.com/dos/sockettome.htm

--gv



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