Nmap Development: Re: Fyodor, I would like to have your point of vue on SinFP tool

[GomoR <nmap-hackers () gomor org>]

On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 05:41:56PM -0700, Fyodor wrote:
[..]
> No, I think it is entirely appropriate here.  Thanks for posting, even
Perfect. 

> though I was already familiar with SinFP.  I took a look at it in
> March while Zhao Lei and I were working on a 2nd generation
> fingerprinting system for Nmap.
Thank you ;) 

> It is a great little tool, though I
> dispute the web page statement that Nmap's "approach to OS
> fingerprinting is becoming to be obsolete" due to "stateful filtering
> devices, PAT/NAT configurations and emerging packet normalization
> technologies".
Yes, and I need to apologies for that. When I released it the first
time (on june 2005), I got nearly zero replies. And the one I received
were not useful. 

So, I changed my mind, and resolved to use marketting wording, to
trick people into trying SinFP. It is not simple to change user
habits. 

> I agree that those obstacles can be a challenge, but
> Nmap is pretty resilient to most of this.  It has to be, given that
> people use it across just about every sort of network available.  But
> I hope the new system will be even more powerful.
Well, I used to work for a company that developped a vulnerability
scanner. And when you see nmap giving Turtle OS, when it is, in fact,
a classical Linux, you change your mind. But I am not here to start
a troll or flamewar. 

Just to finish on this subject; I will add:
No response from a probe is not meaningful. We cannot conclude anything.
No bug report from users is not meaningful. We cannot conclude anything. 

> I hope to release a
> paper very soon to nmap-dev documenting that upcoming system.  We
> would of course appreciate your input.
And I will be very glad to comment on it, to help make nmap better. 

> Cheers,
> -F
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