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Re: speaking of DoS, openssh and dropbear (CVE-2006-1206)
From: Kurt Seifried <kseifrie () redhat com>
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 10:06:51 -0700

On 01/05/2012 04:22 AM, David Hicks wrote:
The question these approaches raise is whether it is advisable to
reinvent rate limiting in each and every network daemon. Performing rate
limiting at the system/interface level prevents unwanted and expensive
context switches to each daemon. Configuration and maintenance is much
simpler because administrators don't need to learn 50 different ways to
configure rate limiting for each daemon. There is also less risk for
bugs to be written into the rate limiting implementation of each daemon.

To a large degree yes, because each daemon is different and the daemon
also knows how bad things are getting, the firewall doesn't. Ideally the
daemons should be auto-tuning and degrading politely to prevent
dying/killing the system/etc. so the admin doesn't have to explicitly
learn how to tune it. THiss problem occurs with firewall limiting
anyways, how many connections per second per C class (or whatever) can I
safely allow to daemon X? What happens if we upgrade/downgrade the
server daemon X runs on? What happens if server X takes additional
duties or is modified in another way that affects the load it can
handle? I vote for daemons that auto-tune intelligently because I am
lazy =).

On a technical note, rate limiting requires a small amount of memory
(buckets) to store information about recent connections. For this
reason, allowing IPv6 rate limiting granularity at the /128 level would
be inadvisable as an attacker with /64 addresses could quickly exhaust
the table capacity/available memory. The design of the data structures
and algorithms for the table need to be very efficient. Taking it down
another level, a table that is larger than available L1-L3 cache could
further degrade performance ([4] and [5] discuss hash tables and CPU
Again we could do something clever like auto-tune and start
consolidating buckets if the tables start getting too large.


-- Kurt Seifried / Red Hat Security Response Team

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