Penetration Testing: Re: [PEN-TEST] IDS identification and a personal cry for help :)

[Pedro Quintanilha <quinta () CERTBR COM BR>]

There's a *lot* of reactions that can be much more efficient and much
more "obscure" (from the attacker point of view) than simply break a
connection via RST or hardening a fw rule... I think that the "market
contamination" over the admin's minds is the great guilty about this
lack of vision.

Some "stealth" reactions as bandwidth-reduction, attack re-routing,
deception, and so on, are simply rejected or interpreted as "legends"
when, on the real word, are very useful.

I think that the most sec-admins tend to only "accept" what the "market
culture" says, and forget what they really *can* do to react on attack
situations.

Well... I exceed on my opinions sometimes... so, what you think about
it??


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Pedro Quintanilha
quinta () certbr com br


Bill Pennington wrote:
> Yes this is why I stated a "hyperactive" NID at work (or maybe a hyperactive
> admin ). Unfortunately I have run into a lot more of these lately as people
> seem to think it is a cool thing to do. Until I shun them from there next
> hop :-)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Talisker <Talisker () NETWORKINTRUSION CO UK>
> To: <PEN-TEST () SECURITYFOCUS COM>
> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 11:12 AM
> Subject: Re: IDS identification and a personal cry for help :)
>
> > Bill  - Comment below
> >
> >
> > > One way to detect a NIDS is to launch attacks and see if you are then
> > > shunned from the network. This is a good indication that a hyperactive
> NID
> > > is at work. Also if your connection gets reset when you attempt an
> exploit
> > > that is another tip-off. As far as fingerprinting goes, if you where
> > > knowledgeable about default rulesets you might be able to determine a
> NID
> > by
> > > its reactions, or lack of action, to certain attacks.
> > I think think you'll find that most IDS have the auto response facility
> > turned off
> >
> > Andy
> > www.networkintrusion.co.uk
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