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Re: [PEN-TEST] Noisy ou stealthy ?
From: "Masse, Robert" <rmasse () RICHTERSECURITY COM>
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 11:37:05 -0500

Hi

It depends on what your goal is and the arrangement with the customer.  You
should ask your customer
what they prefer.

For most pentests I would say it's done on a 'noisy' level.  If you are
testing IDS systems then you
would be a bit more carefull (and charge more for the extra time you will
incur performing the test).

So the answer is "that depends on what the client wants and the goal of the
pentest".  That should
be presented in the scope of the mandate.

Hope that helps,

Rob

Robert Masse, CISSP
Chief Technical Officer

Richter Security Inc.
2 Place Alexis Nihon, suite 905
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
+514 934 3566 Direct
+514 934 3406 Fax


-----Original Message-----
From: Nicolas Gregoire [mailto:nicolas.gregoire () 7THZONE COM]
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 11:17 AM
To: PEN-TEST () SECURITYFOCUS COM
Subject: [PEN-TEST] Noisy ou stealthy ?


Hi pen-testers,

just a question about methodology.

When you are doing some pen-tests, do you use the noisy way (full port
range scan, lot of scanning for cgi whitout IDS evasion techniques,
brute force attacks on FTP) or the sthealthy one ?

I think that the noisy way is easiest (just schedule a Nessus scan , a
whisker scan and an ISS scan for the night, read the results and attack)
but can't really test the efficacity of corporate defenses.

The stealthy way is more time-consuming, but more funny ....

So, what's your method ?

Nicob


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