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Re: [PEN-TEST] Penetration Testing and Van Eck Scanning
From: Talisker <Talisker () NETWORKINTRUSION CO UK>
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:27:36 -0000

The new EMC standards have drastically reduced EM emanations from monitors,
however graphics cards don't seem to fall under this legislation (correct me
if I'm wrong) they still emanate the same information at around 85 times per
second.  Your information is only a secure as the weakest link.  It's
reminiscent of the Dutch boy and the dyke, as soon as you plug up one hole
another appears.
Another and IMHO more important point is the strength of the EMC
accreditation, there seems to be vendors out there that will claim to meet
the standard and they quite clearly DO NOT.   There is some value in buying
good brand names.
There is often a great deal of mythology and scaremongering where TEMPEST is
concerned, the term TEMPEST is no longer classified, but certain individuals
tend to lean on it's supposed secrecy to generate interest and dare I say it
consultancy income.  I have a TEMPEST FAQ on my site under counter
eavesdropping - but be quick I don't think it will be there much longer

Take Care
Andy
http://www.networkintrusion.co.uk
Talisker's Network Security Tools List
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talisker () networkintrusion co uk

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Darden" <fdarden () LOCKED COM>
To: <PEN-TEST () SECURITYFOCUS COM>
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: [PEN-TEST] Penetration Testing and Van Eck Scanning


A good way to get government spooks on your trail is to start calling and
inquiring about commercial Tempest or EMF monitoring solutions... I did
this
a year or so ago, and started getting some VERY interesting phone calls.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Butcher [mailto:alex () S3 INTEGRALIS CO UK]
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 11:09 AM
To: PEN-TEST () SECURITYFOCUS COM
Subject: Re: [PEN-TEST] Penetration Testing and Van Eck Scanning


ISSO wrote:
I think TEMPEST eavesdropping has very limited value with today's low
rad monitors.

According to <http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ih98-tempest.pdf>, neither
the use of low-radiation monitors nor LCD panels makes much difference.
In fact, some TFT LCDs were found to be _more_ leaky than monitors!

Best Regards,
Alex.
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Alex Butcher                                      PGP/GnuPG Key IDs:
Consultant, S3 Systems Security Services          alex () s3       B7709088
PGP: http://www.s3.integralis.co.uk/pgp/alex.pgp  alex.butcher@ 885BA6CE



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