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Re: [PEN-TEST] How to "break into" the Pen-Testing field
From: Carric Dooley <carric () COM2USA COM>
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:03:37 -0400

- Well... vmware is a great idea but performance pretty much sucks even on a
high-end laptop.
- Yes, tools written for both platforms like nmap.  On NT it misses 50% or
more of the hosts on the network when doing a large scan.  I ran scans on a
25,000 node network, and I came up with more than twice as many hosts on
nmap using Linux than I did for NT.
- I think the accepted practice is (if you can say that since no two
pen-testers will work the same doing the same things):
    > gather information
    > look for the low-hanging fruit (i.e. easy stuff like telnetting in as
    >look for web servers as these are almost ALWAYS full of holes
    > search the sec archives if no easy hacks available
    > if all else fails.. social engineering is usually a pretty sure bet

- I think the best tools for network mapping may be the free stuff (used
Visio 2K Enterprise... extremely painful.  The SolarWinds stuff is nice
though.  That with nmap, nlog can go a long way.  SolarWinds or SuperScanner
are extremely fast and can give you a host list to work with.  I would maybe
go back with those host lists and feed them to ISS Scanner, and nmap.  Maybe
cybercop or nessus too.  Depends on what you are trying to accomplish.

- I provide all of the data to the client (whether you think they can use it
or not).  There may be someone that can retrace your steps and move forward
with what you provide them.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Teicher, Mark" <mark.teicher () NETWORKICE COM>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: [PEN-TEST] How to "break into" the Pen-Testing field

Has anyone considered utilizing a Red Hat Linux 6.2 box running VMWare for
Windows NT.  ???
Instead of having a multi-boot disk or multiple disk packs.

It appears that some of these tools are available for both platforms.

One is absolutely correct, it really depends on the type of penetration
test one is engaged to conduct.  But what really is Industry Best
Practices.  I know some high end consulting services like to utilize a
mixture of commercial and freely available network and host based scanners
to give an overall analysis.  Then parse through the results to formulate
network and host map.

What tool would be used first and what would be the secondary tool to
validate any false positives one may discover???  Is there any manual
massaging of the data??  Would you turn over the raw data to the


At 06:17 PM 9/10/00 -0400, Frasnelli, Dan wrote:
What would be the typical tool suite one would use on a Pen Test??

I assume you meant the usual network-based penetration test by that.
If you are asked to mess with a client's pbx/vmb, physical security,
employees, etc... there are other techniques or hardware involved.

Most penetration tests are conducted in two phases: exploration and
I recommend you tailor a software 'tool suite' with those as
guidelines.  Depending on your style, organizing tools this way may
or may not be efficient.
Below are examples biased towards Unix; perhaps an NT person has
suggestions for that platform.

Exploration and Analysis
- portscanners:
        nmap            (www.insecure.org)
- sniffers:
        tcpdump         (www.tcpdump.org)
        ngrep           (sourceforge.net/projects/ngrep)
        dsniff          (www.monkey.org/~dugsong/dsniff)
- vuln scanners:
        vlad            (razor.bindview.com/tools/)
        whisker         (sourceforge.net/projects/whisker)
- Samba, nbtscan, l0phtcrack & other tools for windows networks
- the inevitable custom code and scripts

- hunt                  (www.gncz.cz/kra/index.html)
- misc tools            (www.ussrback.com, www.packetfactory.net)
- whatever is current from packetstorm/ussrlabs/bugtraq/etc.
  for the targets.

This category is dynamic and typically contains unreleased
exploits, in-house code, etc.  Its also the attack phase which
causes most 'script kiddies' grief, as it requires a lot of creative
tweaking to avoid detection.

A portable computer and disc with various tools compiled for your
of choice is a good starting point for a network penetration kit.


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