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Re: [PEN-TEST] First step of a pen-test
From: "Teicher, Mark" <mark.teicher () NETWORKICE COM>
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:45:07 -0700

"The old-school mentality of "put a firewall up to keep people out" doesn't
work in today's environment. While most sites have some sort of firewall,
attackers can breach security barriers by exploiting vulnerabilities in
the various Web-facing applications. Testing these apps is a difficult and
time-consuming task because each environment has a slightly different
implementation. The requisite skills necessary to perform these
specialized reviews include extensive knowledge of Web technologies, such
as HTML, ASP, Java, Java- Script, cookies, PERL, VB scripting, SQL and CGI
programming, to name a few.

There is a prodigious gap in the skill level needed to perform traditional
network and operating system testing vs. a structured e-commerce
application penetration review. Systems managers should choose wisely
when selecting a vendor to test an e-commerce application environment.
Remember: The browser is the new millennium's security weapon."

So get out that "Security pixie dust"..

/mark

At 01:14 PM 9/19/00 -0400, Jason Stout wrote:
heh, I just read this article 20 minutes ago. This should answer
most of your questions.

http://www.infosecuritymag.com/sep2000/securestrategies.htm

Regards,
Jason Stout

------Original Message------
From: "Christopher M. Bergeron" <ChrisB () HGSS COM>
To: PEN-TEST () SECURITYFOCUS COM
Sent: September 18, 2000 6:38:50 PM GMT
Subject: [PEN-TEST] First step of a pen-test


What is the industry norm for _beginning_ a pen-test after the contract has
been made?  Would one first map the network?  Try to war-dial the exchange
for possible remote (pcanywhere, etc). access machines?  VRFY email
addresses to look for user logins?  Is it typical to ask for information
about the network (ie. network architecture) beforehand or do most
pen-tests start "blindly" and do the network reconnaissance.

Thanks to anyone who addresses even one of my many questions.


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