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RE: "Free" pen-test
From: "J.A. Terranson" <measl () mfn org>
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:35:10 -0500 (CDT)


What you did was illegal, unethical, and *way* beyond acceptable
practice.  You're lucky he doesn't throw your a$$ in jail.

Your preliminary "look" was done without any type of consent, and that makes
it an intrusion under the laws of most countries and states.  You then went
to try and sell "services" bafter you had "scared him" with your
results: this is extortion in most countries and states.

In short: you are *exactly* the kind of sleazy half-baked and fully dishonest
operations that has put the security industry in the position it is in now -
having to try and explain to a [rightfully] wary public why we are not a
problem of the same magnitude as the "hacker" we claim to want to protect
against.

Further, there is an inherent conflict of interest between the pen-tester and
the provider of services which are suggested by the testing: to truly stay on
the moral high ground you should never try to mix the two (asbestos underwear
in place for all you "ethical" testers who then sell the repair "services").

Call us back when you find a clue.  Even a *small* clue.

--
J.A. Terranson
sysadmin () mfn org


-----Original Message-----
From: Pete [mailto:pen_test_list () petesmithcomputers com] 
Sent: Thursday, 19 June 2003 19:54 PM
To: pen-test () securityfocus com
Subject: "Free" pen-test


I'm looking for a bit of advice. I was tipped off that company X had
minimal security for their large bundle of IP addresses running on
Micro$oft servers. I got my mate Fred (!) to have a look and he reckoned
they were _very_ vulnerable. So, we went to the security director and
"sold" him a free penetration test. Fred then got admin access to their
web server plus bucketloads of info about their DMZ and even their
192.168.0.x network. I went back to Mr Director thinking he'd wet
himself and he said "I'm not too worried about that....just carry on if
you can".

Well. Fred is keen to keep going. But I reckon that someone who is "not
worried" that his web server could have been taken down in about 4 hours
is not worth wasting time on. Needless to say, the cunning plan was to
sell him a pile of stuff once he was scared enough.

My question is this: how do white-hatters usually approach these things?

Grateful for any tips (and thanks for reading if you got to here)

Pete

Pete Smith
www.petesmithcomputers.com



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