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Re: Craking Serv-u passwords stored in .ini file.
From: Hans Porter <infosecprofessional () gmail com>
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 05:39:01 -0400

Hi Nekro,

   First off, let me say that I ran across Lepton's crack about a year
ago when searching for something to crack Domino passwords, and I
absolutely love the program!  I like the Regex option, which most
crackers don't give you, so kudos on that.  Now, on with my comments.

It would have been much stronger, for example, the following:

1) hash the password, with or without prepending the salt, doesn't matter. I'm not using it in this example:
    password: test
    MD5 hash: 098F6BCD4621D373CADE4E832627B4F6

2) append the salt to the hash:
    new "password": ab098F6BCD4621D373CADE4E832627B4F6

3) hash the resulting string:
    new MD5 hash: BDF3BAAC3C947956A57CFA97310B5DE0

4) append the salt to the last hash if you like, but I don't see any particular reason to do so

   I agree, it would have been much stronger if this had been done
rather than purely concatenating the "salt" of "ab" to the beginning
of the password used. Although, as you state in point # 4, you don't
see any reason to append the "ab" to the last salt if you, but you see
no reason.  There is actually a very good reason to do so.  If salts
are unique to the password, the system storing the hash has no idea
which salt to use for a specific password UNLESS it is stored with the
hash. So, unless we have "ab" stored there somehow, we would never
know that "ab" was used in step #2, so we would never be able to
compute and compare the hash resulting in step # 3, thus the user
would never be able to logon.  So there definitely is a need to store
"ab" with the resulting hash. What could be done is take the user name
and append the password to it and then hash, such that the username of
nekromancer and a password of leptonscrack becomes
"nekromancerleptonscrack", which results in the MD5 hash of:
now, since everything used to generate this hash was supplied by the
user (assuming that the algorithm is static for the system), there is
no need to include anything in the hash to indicate the salt, as the
username is already supplied in the credential record of the system
(database, /etc/shadow, etc.).  However, as you pointed out, it is
trivial to use a password cracking utility that allows you to specify
fixed strings for part of the password, as I can try my dictionary of
words with the username (nekromancer) prepended.  Granted, this will
still work, but you really will never be able to defeat brute force,
we need to try to combat precomputation attacks, where tables of
global (non-salted) hashes are pre-generated for near instaneous

Well, that's all I have.  Keep up the good work with Lepton's Crack
and I'm looking forward to the inclusion of typical salted MD5 (unix,
Linux, Cisco) password support in the future.

   --- Hans

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