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Re: Web Application Tester
From: <petercheung () gawab com>
Date: 23 Sep 2004 10:27:44 -0000

In-Reply-To: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E59DA0B4 () lansingemail seqnt com>

There is a paper from BlackHat:

http://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-federal-03/bh-fed-03-grossman-up.pdf

which showed that automatic scanning solves half a problem.  It's a must for any tester to dig into the web application 
to analyse it manually.

petercheung () gawab com


I have to agree with you here - the cost of button pushing can be
immense.  I think SPI is a great tool, though not entirely perfect.  I
can't imagine trying to do multiple or large web sites all by hand - it
simply wouldn't be as thorough for the same money.  Of course, the ideal
is to have enough volume for a consultants license for a year, then the
cost is easily justified.  That said, a tool is just a tool, and
shouldn't be relied on for more than "brute force" checking of inputs,
etc.  Human intelligence is essential to doing a good job.

Mark Lachniet=20

-----Original Message-----
From: A.R. [mailto:r00t () northernfortress net]=20
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:45 PM
To: chuan.delahosseraye () accenture com
Cc: andrew () beegads com; pen-test () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: Web Application Tester
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I think that when having to choose between a free and a=20
commercial tool, it's all about figuring out the return of investment.
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If it takes one week to manually inspect an application with
nikto+wget+webscarab+achilles+spike, and only 1 day using Appscan for
the "grunt" work plus 2 days for the manual refinement, the 4=20
days I gain are worth more than the ~1,000 dollars I have to=20
spend for a 7-days Appscan license.
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In the end, I usually prefer to use Paros (free tool), but I=20
think that in some situations AppScan/WebInspect can be at=20
least worth a look, even if their price makes them look=20
unprofitable at first sight.
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NB: I have never used AppDetective, so I am not saying in any=20
way that the other tools are better
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Just my 2 cents, of course :)
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A.
=20
On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 15:27, chuan.delahosseraye () accenture com wrote:
According to my previous search on a Web pen-test tools, AppScan,=20
WebInspect and Scando are all much more expensive than=20
AppDetective.=20
If cost is a concern, it might be possible to combine a=20
selection of=20
free tools such as:
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- Nessus
- Nikto
- WebScarab
- Achilles
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But this would involve a lot of Manual works.
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Hope this helps
Chuan
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-----Original Message-----
From: A.R. [mailto:r00t () northernfortress net]
Sent: 15 September 2004 12:27
To: andrew () beegads com
Cc: pen-test () securityfocus com
Subject: Re: Web Application Tester
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Andrew,
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I don't know what's your budget, but for web applications=20
you can try=20
the following commercial products:
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- AppScan, by Sanctum (www.sanctuminc.com)
- WebInspect, by Spidynamics (www.spidynamics.com)
- ScanDo, by Kavado (www.kavado.com)
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...Or the good ol' Paros=20
(http://www.proofsecure.com/download.shtml),
open source and free
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Hope this helps
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Alberto Revelli
Northern Fortress, Inc.
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On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 22:49, Andrew Bagrin wrote:
Does anyone know of an application tester similar to AppDetective=20
thats not as hard on the pocket book?
I need to pentest a web app and am looking for some tools
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Thanks,
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