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RE: AD password Auditing
From: "dave kleiman" <dave () isecureu com>
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 14:09:01 -0400

For Microsoft AD, the NTDS.dit file is the database you are looking for. The
local SAM file is not going to store the AD users info.  It will however
contain the original admin account that was used when installing AD. This
is, by default, the Directory Restore account.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Rochford, Paul [mailto:paul.rochford () hp com]
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 09:49
To: Joe Traband; pen-test () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: AD password Auditing

You used to get the SAM file off a running server by running
rdisk /s-, it will make a copy on the existing one. It's the
copy of the SAM you retrieve. Also not sure AD stores
credentials in the same way as Classic NT Domains, so you may
be looking in the wrong place. Someone I'm sure can verify this.


Kind Regards,
Paul Rochford


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Traband [mailto:jtraband () truarx com]
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 8:36 PM
To: pen-test () lists securityfocus com
Subject: Re: AD password Auditing

You are looking for the SAM file, but I'm sure you've found
out that you can't just copy the SAM file off a running
machine. There are two ways to get the SAM file.

1) Get the backed up SAM file (only can be done if a boot
disk was made with the right options selected) Or
2) Boot into some variant of Linux and get the SAM file

A good tutorial, with step-by-step instructions can be found at
http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=security/localsamcrack2

After you have the SAM file, you'll want to run John the Ripper or LC3
(LC5 if you have some money) against the file.

I have yet to find a way to copy the SAM file off a running
server. If anyone can do that, please let me know!

-Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Lohan Spies [mailto:lohan.spies () ifs-sa co za]
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 7:43 AM
To: 'pen-test () securityfocus com'
Subject: AD password Auditing

Hi there,

I want to know how can I copy the AD (Active Directory)
database so that I can run a password cracking tool against
the accounts?

Could someone please point me in the right direction
regarding the tools to use and how to copy the db?

Thanks

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