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Re: firewalk and nmap
From: "fatb" <fatb () security zz ha cn>
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:43:45 +0800

I thought the two results are the same means.
if a "closed" port run some daemon to listen any incoming request,it means "open".
at this time,the hacker will make use of the "closed" port to bind a shell.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christian Perst" <chris_perst () gmx de>
To: <pen-test () securityfocus com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:53 PM
Subject: firewalk and nmap


Hi list,

three years ago I could read that firewalk is for better use
for testing ACLs on firewalls compared to nmap.

Today I can test with nmap if a port on a machine is open (Syn -
Syn-ack), closed or unfiltered (Syn - Rst-ack) and filterd (Syn
- nothing).
If firewalk does the scan on the firewall in front of the server
I get open, closed and filtered. Isn't the closed port from nmap 
the same as an open port on the firewall?


e.g.

-->-------------FW--------------Server
open            22                80
ports:          80

nmap will show:
22 closed
80 open
.. filtered

firewalk:
22 A! open (port not listen)
80 A! open (port listen)
.. *no response*

If a port with nmap is closed, it surely is not filterd by the FW,
since I get a RST back.
So is there a difference anymore? Are there any settings where
firewalk can take advantage of?

Thanks,
Chris

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