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RE: CEH training
From: Prashant Meswani <Prashant.meswani () ukonline co uk>
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 08:49:24 +0100

I agree with your comments Tim. I am doing a CEH "accelerated" course this week 
(finishing today). I have enjoyed it immensely. I admit that it is a difficult 
course and there were some problems with parts of the course, but prior 
experience in the field is pretty much assumed for a lot of things that are 
covered in the course. (And yes, I have been in the IT Security field for over 
4 years, but there is a lot of things even i don't know, as I have specialised 
in a particular area of the field). The course isn't designed to teach you the 
greatest and the newest of the tools that are available as they would become 
out of date by the time the course is delivered. The course is designed to 
teach you what you need to know in order to become a pen tester / ethical 
hacker (How you define a pen tester / ethical hacker is up to you). After you 
have done the course, it's up to you to find out about the different types of 
tools that are available on the internet. There are many courses out there. If 
you are looking for a course that would help you get a job...my advice is to 
look at various job adverts and look at what type of qualifications that they 
are asking for. Even email the company asking them why they want those skills 
if you have to. Use that as a benchmark. I chose CEH because of the things it 
covered and chose my provider because it was a residential. I am not going to 
name names, but if anyone is interested in knowing, email me directly.

-- 
Regards,

Prashant Meswani.
http://www.dgphra.org.uk
http://www.meswani.co.uk


Quoting Tim Singletary <Tim () active-defense com>:

 
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Ralph/Gregory
    The Infosec Institute is an authorized EC Council training and
testing center and they DO NOT use the "stock" EC Council courseware.

But to put it simple Greg was asking for opinions and this has turned
into a mass marketing campaign. Looking back through this thread
every person that teaches the CEH has piped in and said "theirs" was
the best.

Two things, first Gregory was asking for an honest, unbiased,
reference to the CEH, second these forums were designed to promote
learning and cohesion among fellow pen-testers, not a forum for mass
marketing. 


 
Timothy Singletary
CISSP,CISM,CEI,CEH,Security+,CTT+,MCP
315.601.0953 Cell
Tim () active-defense com

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From: Ralph Echemendia [mailto:ralph.echemendia () gmail com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:44 AM
To: glemmon () onealwebster com
Cc: pen-test () securityfocus com
Subject: Re: CEH training

Hey Gregory,

Being the Information Security Testing Product Line Manager and lead
instructor / researcher here at Intense School I of course somewhat
biased, but will try to be honest in my response to this matter.

I always see a great deal of questions regarding our content and the
CEH. I also used to teach the OPST and the real issue surrounding
these "hacking" certifications is industry-wide approval and market
penetration. When it comes to a world-wide cert. that has achieved
this, it is the CEH.

To clarify, Intense School has lead the growth of the CEH in the US
more so than any other training provider with a very high pass rate. 
With that said we are also the only authorized testing provider who
does NOT use the official CEH Curriculum. Why you may ask?
The answer is simple, quality and hands-on education. The curriculum
provided by EC-Council for this course (while good for some) is more
like a book than a class and the nature of the hand-on experience is
almost non-existant.

Therefor we created a course that met our expectations, which is to
exceed our students needs.

Our (current) courseware was developed by Clement Dupuis and John
Nunez. I have to tell you that in my many years and having written,
seen and taught many "Hacking" classes, John and Clement did an great
job, with any curriculum in IT updates are mandatory.

This class certainly prepares you for the CEH, and to be honest many
other similar certification, but is written to do more than just
that.

We are continually working to offer our students the most "Intense" 
training experience. In fact we are the ONLY ones to my knowledge who
offer the same quality and hands-on training ONLINE.
http://www.intenseschool.com/bootcamps/liveonline/default.asp

If ANY of you have any questions, comments or concerns feel free to
contact me.

Again Thank YOU and have a GREAT class, whichever you choose.

Highest Regards,

Ralph Echemendia, OPST, CEH, ECSA
Lead Instructor / ISPLM
Intense School
http://www.intenseschool.com/
8211 W. Broward Blvd., #210
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33324
954-650-2870 (cell)
954-370-3326 (fax)
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Voted 2004 Windows IT Pro Magazine Readers' Choice winners in the
category of Training and Certification for:
"Best Boot Camp"
"Best Instructor-Led Training"
"Best Computer-Based Training"
"Best Web-Based Training"

On Jun 21, 2005, at 2:34 PM, glemmon () onealwebster com wrote:

Hi all,

I am looking at getting some training to start my official journey 
down = the path as a Security Penetration Tester - and was
wondering  about the = views on taking the Intense School's CEH
boot Camp. Has  anyone on/from the list attended their course and
have and 
feedback/recommendations? My = background is predominantly Windows,
 but I am fairly functional with Linux. I am more interested in
online  courses right now though only because I am = currently
involved in  some projects that require me to be available for my
office = over the  next couple of months. Any constructive feedback
is more than = 
welcome.
Thanks


Gregory Lemmon, MCP, Security+
I.T. Manager




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