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RE: Whitespace in passwords
From: <Steve.Cummings () barclayscapital com>
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:27:29 +0100

I never said that I didn't agree with you but the alt system in my book is a more useful way of protecting passwords 
than 14 character password etc 


Regards

Steve Cummings
Barclays Capital
DDI 0207 773 4245

-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Wright [mailto:cwright () bdosyd com au] 
Sent: 21 September 2005 07:32
To: Cummings, Steve: IT (LDN); BMcAninch () PENSON COM; pen-test () securityfocus com
Cc: pand0ra.usa () gmail com
Subject: RE: Whitespace in passwords

John was a tool which was good a decade ago

The tools have moved on - just because not everyone here has used precomputed tables and quadratic methods does not 
mean that an attacker does not know of them. I am sure that Barclays Capital has enough of a presence to attract the 
corporate criminal type...

I reiterate - the real issue is to stop an attacker getting this info in the first place.

Secure Server plus secure client settings in group policy on a MSFT network and this is no longer an issue. "An Ounce 
of Prevention is worth a pound of cure"...

Craig 

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve.Cummings () barclayscapital com [mailto:Steve.Cummings () barclayscapital com]
Sent: 21 September 2005 3:37
To: Craig Wright; BMcAninch () PENSON COM; pen-test () securityfocus com
Cc: pand0ra.usa () gmail com
Subject: Re: Whitespace in passwords

Try the password of your choice with alt 255 in the middle currently things like lopht and john don't get near it
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Wright <cwright () bdosyd com au>
To: Cummings, Steve: IT (LDN) <Steve.Cummings () barclayscapital com>; BMcAninch () PENSON COM <BMcAninch () PENSON 
COM>; pen-test () securityfocus com <pen-test () securityfocus com>
CC: pand0ra.usa () gmail com <pand0ra.usa () gmail com>
Sent: Tue Sep 20 20:27:52 2005
Subject: RE: Whitespace in passwords

HI
 
1st it does not make them untouchable
 
Next, MOST applications do not accept Alt+xxx based passwords - very few users will use them as well
 
Do your users authenticate via a Radius systems, the web...? Any of these will not accept Alt+xxx chars.
 
Most users will have issues using this
 
the following does not make a very memerable password - see how often it is remembered?
¦ß?|?O11s
 
Craig

        -----Original Message----- 
        From: Steve.Cummings () barclayscapital com [mailto:Steve.Cummings () barclayscapital com] 
        Sent: Wed 21/09/2005 2:41 AM 
        To: Craig Wright; BMcAninch () PENSON COM; pen-test () securityfocus com 
        Cc: pand0ra.usa () gmail com 
        Subject: Re: Whitespace in passwords
        
        
        Why aren't alt characters feasible alt255 is an easy one for anyone to remember and if the policy for passwords 
dictates the requirement then most large firms would accept this especially if it made the password in the current view 
untouchable for the for seable future
        
        




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