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RE: Licensed Penetration Tester LPT
From: "Steve Jensen" <sjensen () jackhenry com>
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:30:00 -0500

Here's the link to the article: http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/399

It's ridiculous they would even consider this law though. I contacted my mother, who is an attorney in Texas with her 
opinion on the article, here's her feedback on it.

I think the example they gave was an isolated incident prompted by the irritated people in that case.  Texas does have 
a law like that now, which has had several AG opinions issued to clarify it.  There is no way that any testifying 
expert would ever be caught in this – you would have to be an attorney horse’s ass to even try and nobody would who was 
in their right mind.   That is, if the expert were credentialed and no good lawyer would ever try to put on an expert 
who was not.  The Daubert case has been law for a long time and is nothing new – it just was a final Supreme Court case 
on the issue that is now the by-word on challenging experts, but at least around here none of the Daubert motions are 
ever granted – they are just made for the record on appeal if necessary.
    
    The person who wrote the article is somewhat of an alarmist and one of those where a little knowledge is a 
dangerous thing – in your situation, if you are credentialed as a computer security person, whatever those credentials 
might ever be found to be, it is highly unlikely that any such thing would ever come up, assuming you are being 
reasonable in your findings and not off the wall.  Missouri doesn’t have such a law anyway, to my knowledge.  
    As far as just doing the investigation and providing information, what situation would arise where any such law, in 
a state where it exists, would be attempted to be enforced?  It would have to be an extremely strange situation and 
probably one where someone highly placed was caught red-handed big time and is trying to use anything he can to wiggle 
out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Frederick [mailto:flosofl () gmail com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 8:51 AM
To: pen-test () securityfocus com
Subject: Re: Licensed Penetration Tester LPT

This is happening now.  Georgia has pending legislation for forensic
examination of information systems.  If you aren't licensed as an
Investigator in the state, you can be charged with a felony if the law
passes.

I can't find a link, but I swear I read this a couple days ago. 
Anyone have any info, or was I hallucinating :)

On 4/25/06, v b <r0cketgrl () yahoo com> wrote:
All funning aside, this was included in a topic of a
BoF at the recent ShmooCon held in DC.  The speakers
contended that unless the community becomes
self-policing, there WOULD eventually be government
legislation to license information security
practitioners.  Interesting theory.  I like the idea
of shipping all unlicensed practitioners to Lincoln.
Could do wonders for that local economy. :-)

Regards.


--- Dogten <dogten () d3fcon org> wrote:

Mark Teicher wrote:
Why not license security engineers/gurus like they
do social workers, plumbers and doctors.

Then after one gets everyone to comply, partner
with an insurance company to offer liability and
malpractice insurance to the licensed penetration
testers, just in case someone accidently shuts down
a life support system in a hospital as they are
scanning random Class 'C's on the internet or
hijacking root DNS servers in order to play audio
streams.

For those who do not comply, set up Senate
hearings, and send out letters to those who do not
comply, "Are you an unlicensed penetration tester?"
If yes, please list all your friends, neighbors, etc
that may or may not be unlicense penetration
testers.  Once they have rounded up all the non
complying penetration testers, escort them to local
train stations, and guide them onto the train, where
they will be taken to re-education camps in Lincoln,
Nebraska.  --:)


-----Original Message-----

From: Dogten <dogten () d3fcon org>
Sent: Apr 20, 2006 10:08 PM
To: Steve Friedl <steve () unixwiz net>
Cc: pen-test () securityfocus com
Subject: Re: Licensed Penetration Tester LPT

Steve Friedl wrote:

If it's not from the government, it's not a real
license.

where does literary license come in? the media
certainly practices it
with impunity.

--
-dogten, C�ISSP
_________________
Fight the power and the power will fight back
Your only as good as the system you hack
If you become a problem you will be replaced
Banned, shut down, erased !




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_________________
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