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RE: Vulnerability Assessment vs. PenTest
From: "StyleWar" <stylewar () cox net>
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 11:26:24 -0500

So - by your logic - if you bring a bangin sharp pen-tester in, and he's
caught and his ingress methods are mitigated while still in the footprinting
stage, that a pen-test did not actually occur... is that it? Or -- if
physical security is 'pen-tested' and the tester is caught in the parking
lot without credentials... no pen test existed or occurred eh?

Quit trying to convince yourself of your own dogma and read for

Sol wrote:

In the hands of a good pen tester, a pen test does NOT have to exploit 
vulnerabilities in order to achieve its value proposition.

If there's no verification of the vulnerabilities using exploits then it's
not a Penetration test.  What part of >penetration don't you understand?
Anything less is a Vulnerability assessment.  Period.

-----Original Message-----
From: StyleWar [mailto:stylewar () cox net] 
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 7:01 PM
To: sol () haveyoubeentested org; 'Mark Ausley, CISSP'
Cc: pen-test () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: Vulnerability Assessment vs. PenTest

I can break it down like legos.

The value proposition of a pen test is an understanding of 
whether the investment into detection and response is at an 
appropriate level.

The value proposition of a vulnerability assessment is an 
understanding of whether internal controls such as patch 
management, physical security etc.
are adequate given a specific risk tolerance.


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