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Re: What is being a pen tester really like?
From: Mark Teicher <mht3 () earthlink net>
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:34:41 -0400 (GMT-04:00)

"Fail to penetrate', seems like a sentence from one of those "Haxor the Planet" series books with some many co-authors, 
with people like JimSmall, Limp Danisky, Barbie Drawer, etc.
-----Original Message-----
From: Diarmaid McManus <diarmaidmcmanus () gmail com>
Sent: Aug 8, 2006 8:09 PM
To: Dotzero <dotzero () gmail com>
Cc: pen-test () securityfocus com
Subject: Re: What is being a pen tester really like?

Apologies, I was under the impression from my quick read that Kluge
meant "Its a pen test if you don't _attempt_ a penetration" rather
than "Its a pen test if you _fail_ to penetrate".

However, no penetration test should fail. You should always be able to
get access if your client allows you to cover all areas, such as
Physical testing, Social Engineering, etc.

~Diarmaid

On 08/08/06, Dotzero <dotzero () gmail com> wrote:
On 8/8/06, Diarmaid McManus <diarmaidmcmanus () gmail com> wrote:
Actually kluge, i think you'll find that that would be 'Its not
nuclear weapons testing if there are no nuclear weapons', which, you
will find, is actually not nuclear weapons testing.

Penetration testing, by defenition, (and to keep many happy ill throw
in IMO here) requires penetration of the systems you are testing, or
at least proof that you _can_ penetrate them if you so wish.

Yours,
~Diarmaid.


I have to agree with Kluge. Penetration testing is testing the ability
to penetrate. That is different than saying that penetration is a
prerequisite for testing.

You might have a very short report if you find no way of actually
penetrating but you still performed the test.

Dotzero

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