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RE: Pen Test Contracts
From: "Robert J. Kraus" <rkraus () telcomtex net>
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:03:00 -0500


Thanks for the info! I appreciate your time spent for replying to my
post.I found your calculation to be very helpful and located a "Get out
of Jail Free" doc on the website you recommended.

I was planning on using a different approval for internal and external,
but only slight verbiage changes between them. More or less just the
audience is different, was planning on still using one, just slightly
different to address the correct audience. Much of the content will be
the same.

Rob Kraus
Chief Information Officer
Telcomtex Communications, Inc.
6622 Randolph Blvd
Live Oak, Texas 78233
office: 210-566-5500 ext. 107
fax: 210-566-5590
email: rkraus () telcomtex net
website: www.telcomtex.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Christine Kronberg [mailto:seeker () shalla de] 
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 6:11 AM
To: Robert J. Kraus
Cc: pen-test () securityfocus com
Subject: Re: Pen Test Contracts

   Hi Rob,

I am curious if anyone happens to have a few documents that may assist

me. I am not looking to re-create the wheel and would appreciate any 

I am looking for a few templates that I can use for (of course I would

modify them to reflect my organizations):

1.    Internal Approval for penetration testing. This is the type you 
would use to gain written approval from your internal management to 
perform penetration testing on your own network.

2.    Customer Approval Contract for External Penetration Testing - 
This form is used for getting written approval from your customers to 
perform penetration testing on their networks. This usually will
the scope and any guidelines for the engagement of the pen-testing 

   Why do you make an distinction between the approval for internal and
   external (customer side) pen testing? For an internal test management
   is the customer.
   For the contract you may take a look at:

3. Proposal. If anyone has a example of a proposal for costing 
information for different services.

   The costs rely entirely on time and effort. A simple portscan is
   (no pentest and) easily archieved. The verification of the results
   take some more time (and knowledge), yet this is usually not some-
   thing expensive.

   In case of penetration tests you can try this kind of rough

   * assumption:        network with 20 clients
   * assumption: each client offers 10 services
   =>  that make 200 examinations

   an on:
   * assumption: each examination takes 15 minutes.
   * assumption: the working day has 8 hours.
   => that makes 6,25 days of work.
   Now use your daily rate to estimate the costs and don't forget the
   time you need to write and present your report.

   Of course, 15 minutes for an examination is ... not very much,
   if you do your job properly. So the testing, even with support
   of automized tools, will not be very deep. And don't forget there
   is still the time it takes to verify your data.
   But this little example gives an idea about the costs and why a
   penetration test can be very, very expensive.

   Have a nice day,

   Christine Kronberg.

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