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Re: Pen-Test as a favor
From: "El Camino" <elcamino74ss () gmail com>
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:14:01 -0500

I'd also be careful since it is a doctors office about possible HIPPA
impact (ie what will you do if they are not in compliance and are
disclosing personal/private information?).  If they are really wanting
this done they should have no problem paying for it.  Contact some
local firms or professionals and ask to be involved in the process so
you can learn from it.

Find out if they are really wanting more of an IT security audit or a
pen test.  Also find out what will be done with the results. Are they
open to making any changes to resolve issues found or is this just a
test drive for you with using them as a possible reference?

I did something like this as a favor, but still got paid for it and
the client was a smaller financial institution.  Since I had worked in
the industry for a few years and had time doing audits/pen tests of my
own network and home lab they trusted my knowledge and experience.

The OSSTMM (http://www.isecom.org/osstmm/) might also be a good place
to start to give you a "checklist" of things to possibly look for.

Good luck and make sure you are looking out for yourself.

On 7/13/06, Phil Frederick <flosofl () gmail com> wrote:
>  CYA.  Everytime.  It doesn't matter how much you trust someone.
> Things can change.
>
> Always get a contract outlining exactly what will be occuring, what
> you are allowed to do, who is authorising it, etc...
>
>  I couldn't find a template per se, but I did find an old post from the
> Network Security archive which has some great guidelines:
>
>  http://www.networksecurityarchive.org/html/Pen-Test/2006-05/msg00253.html
>
> I'd send you a copy if I had one, but I don't handle the legal end of things...
>
> On 7/12/06, Chris Benedict < chrisb () daemonnews org> wrote:
> > Hey, I'm working as an IT intern in a doctors office and I got
> > permission to do a little pen-testing on their servers on my own time.
> > How necessary would it be to get written permission before I take any
> > action?  The Admin/CTO is a pretty good friend and I doubt would even
> > consider taking any legal action if anything happened.
> >
> > If I do need a contract or something could someone point me in the
> > direction of a template.  I have never even seen such a
> > contract/agreement before and I would never be able to write one up on
> > my own properly.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chris Benedict
> >
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