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Re: Walmart using WEP
From: Gary Nichols <gnichols () phx1 bcbsaz com>
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:13:25 -0700

Perhaps I'm missing something here, but how exactly were these posts
reckless?  

Examples:

Is this reckless?: OMG Walmart had an open access point and I hax0red their
POS sysytem and dropped the price on all Britney Spears CDs to 25 cents! The
new WEP key is '0wn3d!'.

Yes.  That would be reckless, but I didn't see that in this thread.

Is this reckless?: It would appear that Walmart is using 802.11 networking
and WEP on their inventory scanners.  This could be bad if someone cracked
the WEP key.  Not a very good security practice.

No.  I don't see it.  Looks like a good discussion topic to me.

Is this reckless?: I saw an 802.11 WAP on top of a door at Walmart.  I
wonder if it's an open network.  The next time I war drive the neighborhood
I should check.

No.  The poster never made mention of connecting to the network.  Checking
the presence of a broadcasted SSID and its encryption method/status is *NOT
ILLEGAL*.  Most commercial entities appreciate it when you alert them that
they have an open access point on their network.  Of course, with everyone
screaming "HACKER! TERRORIST!" nowadays, white and grey hats alike are
paranoid to advise anyone of anything.

Now, if the poster connected to the network, grabbed an IP and started
snooping around... Well, then I'd be flaming him too.

Sorry to beat the horse to death, but I hear this argument all too
frequently and it just gets tiring.


From: "Hawkins, Ray (721)" <Ray.Hawkins () protiviti com>
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:27:20 -0700
To: Gary Nichols <gnichols () phx1 bcbsaz com>, <pen-test () securityfocus com>
Conversation: Walmart using WEP
Subject: RE: Walmart using WEP

the community that the retired granny three doors down has a broken lock on
her backdoor rather than just telling her directly.  No amount of
pontificating over responsibility legitimizes reckless posts.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Nichols [mailto:gnichols () phx1 bcbsaz com]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:07 PM
To: pen-test () securityfocus com
Subject: Re: Walmart using WEP

Yes, this forum is for professionals to learn and share.  As a matter of
fact, many of us actually learn from the mistakes of others.  I don't see
anyone here advocating wardriving for the purpose of mischief.  I see a
couple of people talking about how irresponsible some commercial entities
are in deploying their wireless architectures, and one individual that was
going to drive around and see if his theory held water.

I had a chuckle when I read that "...war driving should be confined to
legally permitted isolated networks...".  Wardriving doesn't lend itself to
your suggestion by its very definition:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wardriving

Don't apologize for not being impressed.  Most of us dressed-down for the
list today.




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