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RE: Hacker Stories, Certs, vs Projects - Was Re: Technitium MAC Address Changer
From: "Marc Munk" <marc () pungloppen dk>
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:33:54 +0200

I'm facing the same problem as you do. I'v been looking into difference
sans certifications because they don't require experience but they do
give some hands on lab work at the training. Not to mention the
possibility to take a gold level cert. by writing an assignment. But I
don't have any security certs or experience in the area.

-----Original Message-----
From: ankur jindal [mailto:ankurjn113 () hotmail com] 
Sent: 31. juli 2006 05:53
To: pen-test () securityfocus com
Subject: Re: Hacker Stories, Certs, vs Projects - Was Re: Technitium MAC
Address Changer 

Hey everyone
I am a fresh graduate just out of school with no industry experience of 
security, just academic work. I am looking for security work but almost
all 
the positions in the pen-test area require n years of experience or a 
certification. Unless I start work in the security field and actually 
experience how things work I do not get the prereq experience to deserve
the 
certification as per most. But again if I get a certification without
any 
experience then that doesn't help either for others.

What should I gather from this discussion then?

Ankur
----------------
Not true. Certification can provide those lacking experience to show 
ability and be an asset to an >organization in that particular field.
So it 
can show credibility where no experience exists. People >already do
this 
now looking to switch job descriptions, need to learn a specific aspect
of 
a job, seek to >enhance current ability, or to improve their
marketability 
for new jobs.



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