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RE: Pentester convicted..
From: "Shane Warner" <shane () aplv com>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:21:05 -0700

You are absolutely right. Why in the heck would someone cruise around the
net probing random websites poking and prodding for vulns unless they were
up to something no good. These things aren't found by "accident" most times,
and in fact finding such vulns usually requires at least a bit of time and
effort, and the intent and drive to get into the system.

-my 2 cents
-Shane

-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Wright [mailto:cwright () bdosyd com au] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 8:33 PM
To: bill.hancock () isthmusgroup com; pen-test () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: Pentester convicted.. 


First - Get a clue.

The "I was doing it for their good defence" is beyond lame. Responsible
professionals do NOT go around testing web sites without authority.


Next the conviction is not for reporting a vulnerability but for sending
email through the companies server *** WITHOUT PERMISSION ***. With all
the free email systems about these days... (need I go on here?)

Mr McCarty did NOT tell the University of the issues. He informed
journalists. He was seeking publicity. He did not tell the Uni of the
issue and leave it at that, he used the violation to send emails and
account details from the server. In fact he stole the application
details of several University applicants - again *** without permission
***.

Stating AFTER the event - WHEN you are caught that this was for the
common good is not a defence!

Bret McDanel The other mentioned 1030 case also broke the law - Plain
and simple. You have no right to scan sites for the hell of it. This is
illegal, unprofessional and plain stupid!

Regards,
Craig


-----Original Message-----
From: William Hancock [mailto:bill.hancock () isthmusgroup com]

Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2006 12:20 AM
To: pen-test () securityfocus com
Subject: Pentester convicted..


Hey there pen-testers, take this with a grain of salt, it just got me
excited.  I am really interested in everyones opinion on the matter or
corporate responsibility and ownership.

<RANT>
In an article posted to slashdot today
(http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/05/10/112259&from=rss) a man
has been convicted of hacking when he casually and helpfully reported a
security vulnerability to the owners of a web site, in this case The
University of Southern California.  It reads like it was some sort of
simple SQL injection and upon gleaning the information he reported it.

What are we to do as a community I ask?  We should we, the good guys,
who are paid for our knowledge and ability to exploit mistakes,
oversights, and weaknesses then professionally report them to aid in the
securing of information capital (or anyone who reports the flaw for that
matter) worry about prosecution.  It lends itself to a forcing the
technical community to sit on their laurels and wait for the people who
don't report issues to exploit them.  Further it sounds very clear that
had he not notified them, they would have never known.

A security pro notices a flaw, checks to make sure he is not on crack by
'flipping a bit', deems the threat viable and is likely to be exploited,
notifies the owners, then get arrested and charged with unauthorized
access.  We, as a or even The security community, should push
corporations, governments, and organized body's to take responsibility
and ownership of their problems.  If they publish a site that is flawed
or exposing information then they are authorizing the retrieval of that
information.  I'm not advocating that they laws should allow any jerk to
try and brute his or her way in to a public or private web site, but
come on.

If someone leaves their wallet in the park with no guard or protection,
I pick it up and bring it back to the owner, the owner didn't want me to
have it but I brought it back to him.  Why in the hell should I have to
go to jail for returning it to him, why should I/we be punished for
doing the right thing?

I acknowledge this to be a rant but there must but some way to insist
that when people make something available to the public that it is their
responsibility to safeguard it and appreciate not persecute someone who
let's them know (for free I might add) that a weakness exists.  This is
simple scapegoating, the University did something not advisable as a
good practice and instead of owning up to it they villafied a
professional pen-tester for offering valid advice.

</RANT>


Thanks,
Bill



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