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RE: Blue Team ROE
From: "McCarty, Eric C." <emccarty () er ucsd edu>
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:59:25 -0800

+1

These types of constraints are a way to create the illusion of due
diligence in that they are having an outside company perform a security
audit. 

As mentioned by others you have two choices:

1). Take the work, do the best you can with what you have and document
everything, explaining of course the significant limitations place upon
the audit by client constraints.

2). Explain to the client that placing these constraints limits the
audit in such a fashion as it creates an unlikely real world scenario
and would not improve the security of their network or provide
groundwork to improve processes/procedures or strengthen their security
posture. 

Finally I would like to re-iterate that by performing this audit with
limitations such as described below you may open yourself up to
liability if you do not properly (dot I's and cross T's) document the
limitations. 

Eric McCarty


-----Original Message-----
From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com]
On Behalf Of Dexter, Ben
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 5:52 PM
To: mesenbrink () hotmail com
Cc: pen-test () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: Blue Team ROE

I would be asking the client if they think a malicious attacker will
abide by policy? How critical is the data? Are there legal ramifications
to public exposure?

Sounds like a good way to hide security issues behind red tape until
it's too late to me...any pen-test with that many restrictions will not
be worth conducting due to accuracy issues - your company will probably
be used simply to cover the customer's ass in the event something does
happen down the track.... i.e. "the results did not indicate any
issues..." without mentioning the restrictions on pen-testing - it could
possibly open you up for nasty legal stuff too...


Ben.


-----Original Message-----
From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com]
On Behalf Of mesenbrink () hotmail com
Sent: Friday, 2 March 2007 6:45 AM
To: pen-test () securityfocus com
Subject: Blue Team ROE

List,

I wanted to send out a general email asking the members of this list
their professional opinions on being limited during a Blue Team
pen-test.  I have a govt customer that is trying deny us the ability to
remove password hashes/files from the system for cracking, write
procedures for every tool/exploit that could be possibly executed, not
allow the loading of any tools/exploits on target systems, things like
that.....  Of course my reaction is that my company will not perform the
assessment with such restrictions, what are some thoughts from this list
on this subject?

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