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Re: Legality of WEP Cracking
From: "crazy frog crazy frog" <i.m.crazy.frog () gmail com>
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 11:29:36 +0530

richard keep us posted with wht u decide then.

On 5/19/07, Richard Brinson <richard () kanoo-uk com> wrote:
Nice to read all of your thoughts on this matter. I personally have little
doubt that this would be an unethical way to conduct business and is
certainly not the best way forward (hence my "moral issues aside" comment in
the original mail). What I am interested in is educating my engineers to be
able to support our sales guys in the best possible fashion. We are based in
the UK and the attitude to litigation here is relatively passive compared to
that in the US, and it is with this in mind that our sales guys sometimes
think they can 'stretch' the boundaries a bit.

I totally agree that as an ethical security company, grey areas should be
viewed as black. I will be going over all of these comments in our next bus
dev meeting to highlight the general feeling of the industry from a
technical aspect. No doubt our sales guys will think it is somewhat biased.

Keep the opinions coming...

Regards

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Shea [mailto:tim () tshea net]
Sent: 18 May 2007 21:06
To: crazy frog crazy frog
Cc: Shenk, Jerry A; Richard Brinson; pen-test () securityfocus com
Subject: Re: Legality of WEP Cracking


Agreed - but here is another way to look at it:

If you go after business this way - you are guaranteed that your competitors
will get the gig and not you.  You will just be thrown out.
I've gotten two gigs to tighten down networks in the last 6 months due to
someone else trying this approach to "educate" and "build business".

Finally, you can argue all you want on the legalities (since the laws are
all over the map) but, IMHO, its unethical.

> interesting but i doubt it will give you good impression? can you
> imagine that someone has broken your wep , he comes to you and say
> "look what we have broken your wep,now we can offer you our services
> to secure your networks"
>
> will you accept his service?don't you think its illegal?
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> On 5/19/07, Shenk, Jerry A <jshenk () decommunications com> wrote:
>> I think the specific frequencies that wifi uses are public
>> frequencies without "an expectation of privacy". I'm not sure that's
>> a good way to pick up customers and I'm not volunteering to be a test
>> case but I think there is some validity to that conclusion.  Now,
>> what you do with the data could become an issue and whether you are
>> breaking the law or not, they "offended company" could make your life
>> MISERABLE and cost you TON of money.  I'd be eager to watch somebody
>> else fight that battle and see what happens;)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: listbounce () securityfocus com
>> [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com]
>> On Behalf Of Richard Brinson
>> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:32 AM
>> To: pen-test () securityfocus com
>> Subject: Legality of WEP Cracking
>>
>> During an internal business development meeting yesterday we were
>> discussing new ways of picking up pen testing clients. One of our
>> junior engineers suggested that we go war driving, crack some WEP
>> keys and then approach each company offering services to make them
>> more secure. The idea was put down straight away on the basis that
>> without prior approval we would be breaking the law. However, upon
>> further discussion a case was made that (moral issues
>> aside) provided we only captured traffic passively, and as long as we
>> did not try to connect or send any packets to any devices - would the
>> law be broken?
>>
>> Does the law state anywhere that we can not analyse air traffic that
>> is broadcast into the public domain? (if so surely we would all be
>> breaking the law every time we picked up a network other than our
>> own) and is it against the law to know someone else's WEP key when
>> they have not made that information available to you?
>>
>> What are your thoughts on this?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Richard Brinson
>> Kanoo Ltd
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