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Re: Looking for help against Chinese Hacking Team
From: "Adriel T. Desautels" <ad_lists () netragard com>
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:55:49 -0500

Hi there,
The real problem here is that you don't know what you are doing (yet). Let me pad that by saying that you're clearly not a security expert and as such you shouldn't be expected to know how to solve this problem. The solution is simple though, especially if you're dealing with SQL Injection. Before I give you the solution for free (which is posted all over the web) I'll ramble on a bit.

First, when you went through your "waves" of security experts, what was your decision criteria? I'll admit that there are not very many real "experts" out there and that there are a lot of fraudulent ones. A real expert would have provided you with a solution to your problem immediately while some of the others (on this list too) have no clue what they are doing. Unfortunately, most of your Certified Ethical Hackers also don't have a clue (certifications are political and not always a real representation of talent).

Why am I taking the time to write this? Well honestly I am sick and tired of the bad name that these "Fake" security experts are giving to real experts. They offer "penetration tests" that start a $500.00, or Web Application Security Assessments that start at $700.00 when it is IMPOSSIBLE to do either at those prices.

The fact of the matter is that your average and real "security expert" will have a man hour rate of about 190-350 an hour. The average "good" web application penetration test will take more than 10 hours to do. That does not include time to write reports, to do research, to analyze unique issues, or to do a lot of the other manually intensive work that needs to be done to do the work properly. Can that all be done for $500.00? You do the math.... (the answer is no). Generally speaking if you are asking for an application assessment you're going to spend over $10,000.00. If you're not then you're getting ripped off.

        So anyway, the solution to your problem is as follows:

1-) Your problem appears to be that you suffer from exploitable SQL Injection Vulnerabilities. 2-) Your solution is to implement Parameterized Stored Procedures in conjunction with strong input and data validation.

Check out http://www.owasp.org as a reference, or you can hire my team to do a kick-ass job and get you locked down good and tight. You most probably have may other risks that you are unaware of that can be dealt with by the right team. If you have any questions I'm a big proponent of free advice.

From: harveyfrank <joet () ticadvisors com>
Date: December 12, 2008 19:59:19 EST
To: pen-test () securityfocus com
Subject: Looking for help against Chinese Hacking Team

We've been battling the Chinese for several months now and have gone through several waves of US security experts who have failed to stop them. In their defense, we are not on an unlimited budget and they've gotten us to a point where it looks as though somewhere among the site's 400 scripts is a SQL
injection vulnerability.

Automated testing by a few pen test products seems to think we're fine. We
definitely are not.

Is it possible to hire a CEH to find the Chinese-discovered vulnerability for a few hundred dollars? (We aren't just being cheap, we've blown our wad on security that hasn't worked.) Would someone with intimate knowledge of the latest wave of Chinese attacks be required for this job? Besides our first rate security team that's just been beat, I've tried the $200 pen test folks and they have all failed. Microsoft security help has also failed.

Advice (Besides porting to Linux)? Help?
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