Penetration Testing: Re: Looking for help against Chinese Hacking Team

["Adriel T. Desautels" <ad_lists () netragard com>]

Great,
	If he's looking to stop attacks then he needs to remove the vector  
through which he is being attacked. IPS devices do not remove the  
vector, they make an attempt to prevent the vector from being  
accessed. While I support the use of properly configured and  
maintained IPS technologies, I'd never recommend using them as a  
method for remediation because they are only a method for mitigation.   
Sure mitigation is great, but its not a fix.
	With respect to your comment about creating properly designed  
parameterized stored procedures, it is not "almost impossible" if you  
architect things properly.  You might be able to change a variable  
from a 1 to a 2 which is technically SQL Injection, but its not  
usually an SQL Injection Attack that is of any use.  The idea here is  
to prevent SQL Injection Attacks not to prevent people from changing  
variables that should be harmless right?
        


On Dec 16, 2008, at 8:32 AM, ArcSighter Elite wrote:

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> RaptorX wrote:
> > what Adriel meant was PROPERLY DESIGNED Parameterized Stored  
> > Procedures, and
> > I totally agree with him.
> >
> > Providing a short time solution is a good idea but you have to  
> > finish the
> > job properly which in the case of a pen-tester would be report and  
> > provide
> > with a viable (permanent) solution.
> >
> > I also agree partially with Sam, specially windows systems, after  
> > hacked it
> > is a MUCH BETTER idea to rebuild it improving the security of course.
> Well, PROPERLY DESIGNED of course if almost impossible, but you think
> this is the case? I repeat myself: he's wishing to stop the attacks,  
> and
> of course I think/hope he'll take the appropriate measures then.  
> IMHO he
> wouldn't be able to fix anything if he is constantly under attack. And
> sure, linux is the best solution, even a win port of apache will do
> better than IIS, again IMHO. Again, SQL injection could result in a  
> host
> compromise, so re-deploying would be the optimal form: ex. instead of
> finding rookits, install clean.
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Adriel T. Desautels
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