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Re: My Frustrations
From: security curmudgeon <jericho () attrition org>
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:35:07 +0000 (UTC)

: I recently wrote this blog entry and wanted to get some comments from 
: readers of this list. I'm frustrated with the caliber of the people that 
: are offering security services and posing as experts, thats the subject 
: of the post. Please comment, insult, whatever... I'm interested.
: http://snosoft.blogspot.com/

You are preaching to a (very small) choir here. The kind of choir where 
everyone thinks they are a part of.

First, this problem isn't new [1]. The industry has had its fair share of 
charlatans and frauds over the years. In the last five years, the number 
of posts to this list and others is bordering on absurd, that start out 
with "i've been [hired|told|contracted] to do a pen test of our 
[network|application|physical] security, where do i begin?" Many of the 
posts are done from gmail accounts that have no obvious association with a 
name or company, for obvious reasons.

Second, the number of times you see these questions come from 'certificed' 
professionals is silly. I frequently get forwards from lists full of 
CISSPs that post this kind of question, begging the world to wonder why 
anyone thinks that certification holds water. If not certified, from 
people with 'security' and/or 'engineer' in their official title. Some 
posts suggest a company decided to tell a junior analyst to do a full 
blown pen-test, likely to save a few bucks. Others, the wannabe-pentester 
is definitely over eager and grossly exaggerating their claims of being 

Last, it's only going to get worse.

- jericho

[1] http://attrition.org/errata/

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