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RE: My Frustrations
From: "suess13" <suess13 () cfl rr com>
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:47:57 -0500

IMO or In my Opinion, Isn't that like asking what the significance of DLP?
It all depends on the context of which the question was asked.  DLP could
mean Digital Light Processing or Data leakage prevention.

EIP may refer to:

Economically inactive population 
Enterprise information portal, a type of web portal 
Eco-industrial park, a type of industrial park 
Extended Instruction Pointer, an address register in the IA-32 architecture 
Xerox's Extensible Interface Platform, a software platform upon which
developers can create server-based applications that can be configured for a
multifunction printer's touch-screen interface
South Carolina Employee Insurance Program.

Or how about the Significance of CUA.

CUA Catholic University of America 
CUA Common User Access 
CUA Canadian Urological Association 
CUA Cost Utility Analysis 
CUA Certified Usability Analyst 
CUA Clean Up Australia 
CUA Commonly Used Acronym 
CUA Center for Ultracold Atoms 
CUA Credit Union Atlantic (Nova Scotia, Canada) 
CUA Commercial Use Authorization 
CUA Compassionate Use Act of 1996 (California) 
CUA Centralized User Administration (Nortel) 
CUA Certified Urologic Associate (nursing) 
CUA Circuit Unit Assembly 
CUA Carrier Utilization Agreement 
CUA Co-Utilization Agreement 
CUA Catholic University of Angola 
CUA CU Aerospace (Champaign, Illinois) 
CUA Combat Useable Asset 
CUA Computer User Access 
CUA Connection Update Acknowledge 
CUA Cross-, Up-Selling and Accessories Products (SAP Internet Sales
CUA Communications Unit Automation 
CUA Certified Unix Administrator 
CUA Cisco Unity Assistant

-----Original Message-----
From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com] On
Behalf Of Adriel T. Desautels
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:46 AM
To: security curmudgeon
Cc: pen-test list
Subject: Re: My Frustrations

Amen brother! I do particularly agree about the certification comment  
that you've made. I frequently run into people who are certified with  
all sorts of goodies, but then when I ask them a simple question like  
"What is the significance of the EIP?" they respond with "What's an  

Can I post your comment on the blog, or maybe you can do it?

On Dec 18, 2008, at 10:35 AM, security curmudgeon wrote:

: I recently wrote this blog entry and wanted to get some comments  
: readers of this list. I'm frustrated with the caliber of the  
people that
: are offering security services and posing as experts, thats the  
: of the post. Please comment, insult, whatever... I'm interested.
: http://snosoft.blogspot.com/

You are preaching to a (very small) choir here. The kind of choir  
everyone thinks they are a part of.

First, this problem isn't new [1]. The industry has had its fair  
share of
charlatans and frauds over the years. In the last five years, the  
of posts to this list and others is bordering on absurd, that start  
with "i've been [hired|told|contracted] to do a pen test of our
[network|application|physical] security, where do i begin?" Many of  
posts are done from gmail accounts that have no obvious association  
with a
name or company, for obvious reasons.

Second, the number of times you see these questions come from  
professionals is silly. I frequently get forwards from lists full of
CISSPs that post this kind of question, begging the world to wonder  
anyone thinks that certification holds water. If not certified, from
people with 'security' and/or 'engineer' in their official title. Some
posts suggest a company decided to tell a junior analyst to do a full
blown pen-test, likely to save a few bucks. Others, the wannabe- 
is definitely over eager and grossly exaggerating their claims of  

Last, it's only going to get worse.

- jericho

[1] http://attrition.org/errata/

Adriel T. Desautels
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