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RE: InfoSec certification EC/BackTrack?
From: "John Babio" <jbabio () po-box esu edu>
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 13:28:34 -0500

I believe the 101 is awesome. I took and passed the test over the summertime. It was very satisfying and to me, worth 
every penny I spent! If you are looking to get your hands dirty than it's the way to go. It got me started on exploit 
writing.

-----Original Message-----
From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com] On Behalf Of Rivest, Philippe
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 8:26 AM
To: pen-test () securityfocus com
Subject: TR: InfoSec certification EC/BackTrack?

I dont want to burst the bubble for CEH but I have it and I think it's almost worthless. They show you how to use a few 
hundread of tools for super specific things (like a tool that gets ONLY the emails from a web site, like a spider 
tool). 


The sheer number of tools that is given in that 5 day training means that you don't understand or master any of them. 
Furthermore I have the feeling that we did not explore deep enough the technical part of ANY of these tools or 
technique.

To me, basically, this cert was 4.5k down the drain. It did help me get a new job, IT DOES help the moral and it helps 
figure out how good you already are (or not). But beside that, I think its not worth it for any experienced person (I 
was a low/intermediate security analyst).


Hope this helps save money or get a better ID.

-----Message d'origine-----
De : listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com] De la part de Danux
Envoyé : mardi 4 mars 2008 12:28
À : 11ack3r
Cc : pen-test () securityfocus com
Objet : Re: InfoSec certification EC/BackTrack?

You should seriously check Security 101 from BackTrack guys!!!!!
You said its risky but think about ISC2, CORE IMPACT and SAINT who has
support this excellent certification.

Finally its a hands on cert, you will learn how to create exploits nor
only use security tools like CEH!!!!

Cheers!!!!

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 4:33 AM, 11ack3r <11ack3r () gmail com> wrote:
Hi List

  What would be a good certification for a newcomer to start a career in
  InfoSec? I've heard of CEH/ECSA/LPT but then I haven't had great
  review about it from the list. The place where we are SANS doesn't
  offer any course around. SANS Pen-Test course although is available on
  demand, it costs $3500 which is well too much for guys in my
  country... I've heard of something from Back Track guys.. looks
  promising... but risky too at the same time...

  what certification would be most rewarding to get a good job?

  Looking forward to your replies.

  Thanks

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Offensive Security Consultant
Macula Security Consulting Group
www.macula-group.com

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