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RE: University plan
From: "Jalal Atik" <jatik () atikmaroc com>
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 13:54:17 -0000


My personal thoughts :

I truly believe that the theory aspect of Computer Science is the only way
to understand the tenants of computer science. A person with a good
understanding and good grasp of computer science theory will decisively
 figure out any matter related to computer. It will depends of course on the
concentration of the major. But, in general, in Computer Science, you have
all the options to pick between hardware and Software theory. An experienced
person with no good grasp of the theory aspect will most likely resolve or
figure out an issue based on similarities.. or guesses … but a person with a
pure understanding of the theory will not only resolve the issue if he puts
his mind into it.. and will excel in resolving it….


Yet, the experience help to wrap up issues quickly.. 

I would start with the theory for sure... to have a great vision of CS. At
that time, no matter what the application or what Operating System… it will
be all the same…. It is just a bit different… but you deal with the same
concept… I once help a CISCO certified fella just by asking questions… and
hearing the answers… I had the knowledge… he had the experience and the hand
on… I was over the phone.. I did not need to be there… I could see
everything though my mind… It is great…

Like computer languages, because the concepts are all the same, I can
program with any language …. I just need one week to learn the
instructions…and framework of the language library…  If you are experience
with one language… then the other programming language will be slightly
difficult to pick up … You will need time… but once you understand that for
instance the concept of object oriented programming.. it does not matter
with prog. Language you use to achieve your goal…

Look for a university/college… that has high reputation in Computer Science…
 but theory is the key… if your inclination is toward experience or
practicality then my humble advise… forget university/college… go for
Microsoft certification, Cisco… , Checkpoint, CISSP….

I hope this will help.

Good Luck.

Thanks
Jalal Atik

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Envoyé : samedi 18 septembre 2010 00:44
À : kalgecin
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Objet : Re: University plan

My recommendation:

Find a good 4 year undergraduate school, they'll drill you harder.
You'll want to go for Computer Science or similar which should be in
the engineering field. Make sure it is ABET a credited. Make sure they
have a *nix lab for the CS students and they use it for homeworks and
projects in CS courses.

My school was the above and did not teach Security at an undergraduate
level. You had to go for your Masters to do that. I'm sure a good
amount if not all schools are like that. My school did have one or two
undergrad classes in security, but I never got the chance.

I would keep away from the for-profit schools that advertise (eg
DeVry, U of Phoenix, anything online). I've talked to some upcoming
graduates from DeVrys Bachelor program and they don't seem anyplace
near par on their understanding. But I'm probably biased on this (a
google search may help here)

Once you understand the basic and fundamental theories (some people
may label some of these as "the boring stuff"), then the practical
stuff in any situation can be mastered and the more advanced ("fun")
stuff will come easier.


On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 11:32 AM, kalgecin <kalgecin () gmail com> wrote:
hey guys,
I'm in my final year of high school and I'm planning to go to
university. As all people, I have trouble finding the right one ( or a
good one ). So I'm asking you people to recommend any nice
universities that teach good computer security, that is more practical
than theoretical. Please also tell me to which university you attended
and how was it? and any other general advice

--
Kalgecin
http://code.google.com/p/kalgecin
http://kalgecin.110mb.com
http://kalgecin.110mb.com/forums
http://kalgecin.blogspot.com

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