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Re: auditing web/mail proxies
From: Dion Stempfley <dtsonline () verizon net>
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 04:54:26 -0500
On Dec 6, 2011, at 2:36 AM, Anders Thulin wrote:
On 2011-12-05 10:21, cribbar wrote:
Has anyone ever audited a proxy during a pen test/IT audit or as an audit on
itself? If so do you have a scope of what kind of checks you reviewed, or a
An audit is intended to answer the question: does the examined system work
according to the rules and regulations it should follow? The next question is,
obviously, are there any such rules?
That should be answered by the organization owning or otherwise managing
the proxy: what rules should be followed? These will typically relate to the
management of the proxy: how is access controlled, how are changes implemented,
how are logs and backups handled, and so on. (Tests of proper function -- quality
testing -- is usually not regarded as part of an audit. That's more akin to
penetration testing.) The rules need not be expressed for the proxy specifically,
they could be part of an IS or IT policy, applying to all IS or IT systems in
the organization. And in some special cases, they might even take the form of
local or national law.
For an audit, you job includes defining the system you are auditing (the word
'system' is used an a fairly general sense here -- it needn't be just a network 'box',
but an entire proxy support and management -- don't forget helpdesk!), identify
the rules that are relevant that system, and then verify that they are indeed being
If there are no relevant rules, an audit cannot be done. If the system cannot
be strictly defined (in the sense of if some entity is part of the system or not),
there will be difficulties later. Additionally, if there are rules, but they cannot be
audited (quite often because they are imprecise), the only thing is to identify the
problem, and suggest a remedy for the next audit.
There *are* usually best practice suggestions, which, in the absence of other
requirements, could (barely) be used. But again, the system definition decides:
are you looking at a proxy box only, or a component in a network, at a system
that must be managed over it's lifetime, alone or in relation to other information systems
of which it is considered a part?
'Muscular audits' ... deciding on your own what the rules are (or should be) is a
possible way, technically, but it's so far from the accepted definition of an audit that
I don't consider it practical.
Anders Thulin anders.thulin () sentor se 070-757 36 10 / Intl. +46 70 757 36 10
All good advice. Like Anders implied, without some detailed understanding of what the proxy is doing and why it's
difficult to give anything specific. But there are a few things I think about when testing a proxy or firewall.
I look at the device at 3 levels: can the proxy be attacked, does it properly protect and control access to the
devices it is supposed to protect, and can it be used as a way to forward attacks to other systems that are not
supposed to be protected.
The first level is a pretty straight forward pen test against the device itself, management interfaces, device
vulnerabilities, etc. Keep in mind that a port scan isn't necessarily useful since the proxy will respond to a number
of ports and not actually connect you to a service on the device. It takes some finesse, but sometimes you can get
useful data. I usually find issues with management of the device to be the biggest problem.
The second is more of a policy review, and is helpful in the larger pentest to access other systems. Using the
protocols that the device supports, can you break the proxy services to access protected systems (including listening
services on the proxy).
The third is an architecture and system configuration review. For example, if you can connect to the proxy from the
outside and get it to access outside systems that's not generally a desirable situation.
Many people ask about scanning through a proxy to find things. That's less of an assessment of the proxy and more of
an assessment on the systems that are legitimately supported by the proxy. It is very dependent on the technologies
Ultimately, the whole thing comes down to the question of what you are trying to test for, which is derived from what
is the purpose of the device. You need to ask yourself a few more specific questions then, "how do I audit the proxy?"
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