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RE: Hack the hackers :)
From: <stevenr () mastek com>
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 21:15:49 +0530

A very good question, the exact one that is making this paper so
controversial. This is what those guys have to say for this

"...In regards to spoofed attacks, when there is no positive
identification of the attacker (that is, we cannot positively attribute
an attack back to its source), deploying defensive countermeasures and
reporting intelligence would be most appropriate. However, this decision
(and the power to initiate an offensive countermeasure) ultimately
resides in the hands of our customer...." 


May not be the perfect solution for all security problems, but this
would make script-kiddies and saboteurs think twice before hitting a
competitors network if they are going to have their own network washed
out in retaliation.


Regards, 
Steven Rebello 




-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Hammond [mailto:kghammond () nrscorp com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 9:07 PM
To: Steven Rebello; webappsec () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: Hack the hackers :)

How do you attack the attackers, if the attackers are attacking from a
compromised network???

Kevin Hammond
Network Administrator
NRS Corporation
608-273-4665 x223
http://www.nrscorp.com/


-----Original Message-----
From: stevenr () mastek com [mailto:stevenr () mastek com]
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 6:08 AM
To: webappsec () securityfocus com
Subject: FW: Hack the hackers :)


Hi folks,

Came across this paper "On the Rules of Engagement" from Symbiot Inc
proposes that a strong network defense system is not deterrent enough.
They suggest countermeasures by "returning fire" against the attackers
network, basically attack the attackers networks. If I am not mistaken,
this is the first time such an approach has been formalised. Its gonna
be worth seeing how this is taken forward. 

http://symbiot.com/media/iwROE.pdf

Heres an interesting interview by onlamp.com with the writer of this
paper

http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/security/2004/03/10/symbiot.html

Regards
Steven Rebello




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