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RE: Hack the hackers :)
From: "Tom Martin" <Tom () 118 com>
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 17:12:28 +0100

The problem isn't just compromised networks - ie, hackers using the machines of "innocent" third-parties to launch 

The problem with any kind of pro-active defense against internet attacks is the fact that source IP addresses can be 
spoofed - what this leads to is a situation where the pro-active defence system becomes a new form of attack for 
hackers to use:

If the hackers real target is company A, all he has to do is attack company B, knowing it has the latest pro-active 
defence system, using spoofed source addresses to make the attack appear to be coming from company A - result, company 
B's defence system retaliates against company A's attack in kind, and company B does the hackers job for him.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Hammond [mailto:kghammond () nrscorp com]
Sent: 15 April 2004 16:37
To: stevenr () mastek com; webappsec () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: Hack the hackers :)

How do you attack the attackers, if the attackers are attacking from a
compromised network???

Kevin Hammond
Network Administrator
NRS Corporation
608-273-4665 x223

-----Original Message-----
From: stevenr () mastek com [mailto:stevenr () mastek com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 6:08 AM
To: webappsec () securityfocus com
Subject: FW: Hack the hackers :)

Hi folks,

Came across this paper "On the Rules of Engagement" from Symbiot Inc
proposes that a strong network defense system is not deterrent enough.
They suggest countermeasures by "returning fire" against the attackers
network, basically attack the attackers networks. If I am not mistaken,
this is the first time such an approach has been formalised. Its gonna
be worth seeing how this is taken forward. 


Heres an interesting interview by onlamp.com with the writer of this


Steven Rebello

"Making a valuable difference"
Mastek in NASSCOM's 'India Top 20' Software Service Exporters List.
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