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RE: Hack the hackers :)
From: "Tom Martin" <Tom () 118 com>
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 17:12:28 +0100

The problem isn't just compromised networks - ie, hackers using the machines of "innocent" third-parties to launch 
attacks.

The problem with any kind of pro-active defense against internet attacks is the fact that source IP addresses can be 
spoofed - what this leads to is a situation where the pro-active defence system becomes a new form of attack for 
hackers to use:

If the hackers real target is company A, all he has to do is attack company B, knowing it has the latest pro-active 
defence system, using spoofed source addresses to make the attack appear to be coming from company A - result, company 
B's defence system retaliates against company A's attack in kind, and company B does the hackers job for him.


-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Hammond [mailto:kghammond () nrscorp com]
Sent: 15 April 2004 16:37
To: stevenr () mastek com; webappsec () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: Hack the hackers :)


How do you attack the attackers, if the attackers are attacking from a
compromised network???

Kevin Hammond
Network Administrator
NRS Corporation
608-273-4665 x223
http://www.nrscorp.com/


-----Original Message-----
From: stevenr () mastek com [mailto:stevenr () mastek com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 6:08 AM
To: webappsec () securityfocus com
Subject: FW: Hack the hackers :)


Hi folks,

Came across this paper "On the Rules of Engagement" from Symbiot Inc
proposes that a strong network defense system is not deterrent enough.
They suggest countermeasures by "returning fire" against the attackers
network, basically attack the attackers networks. If I am not mistaken,
this is the first time such an approach has been formalised. Its gonna
be worth seeing how this is taken forward. 

http://symbiot.com/media/iwROE.pdf

Heres an interesting interview by onlamp.com with the writer of this
paper

http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/security/2004/03/10/symbiot.html

Regards
Steven Rebello




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