I'm having an half audit half pen test because of
which they don't let me read their struts xml files or
any other conf. files for that matter but I have
access to their test env. with fake user credentials
and some more information. :(
But, hey, that would be great and I think helpful for
the community, too.
-pilon
--- Dinis Cruz <dinis_at_ddplus.net> wrote:
> Pilon, how are you analysing the struts xml files?
>
> I wrote a quick xslt transformation that allowed me
> to see them in a nice format (in html tables)
>
> Let me know if you think that will be usefull to you
> and I will post in online
>
> Dinis
>
> ----------------------------------------
> From: Pilon Mntry <pilonmntry_at_yahoo.com>
> Sent: 21 March 2006 09:40
> To: dinis.cruz_at_ddplus.net
> Subject: Re: [WEB SECURITY] How to Create Secure Web
> Applications with Struts
>
> Hi Dinis,
>
> > if the presentation is on the client side (ala
> > AJAX ...
>
> Well, when I wrote "presentation layer" I meant the
> one at the server side (since the issue was Struts),
> but of course, you are right that when AJAX or alike
> is employed then there remains one (secure)
> validation.
>
> > For example, I did an audit to a struts based Java
> > App which had massive Authorization problems ...
>
> And I'm doing one right now :). When a developer
> uses
> Struts Validator on a parameter with positive
> approach(let's say [a-zA-Z0-9]), then it would be
> hard
> to convince him to do another validation in his
> business logic for SQL injection.
>
> -pilon
>
> --- Dinis Cruz wrote:
>
> > Pilon, when you say:
> >
> > > However, with this approach when positive
> > validation (whitelist) is used, there probably
> will
> > be
> > > unnecessary double validation: one in
> presentation
> > layer and the other in business layer. But I
> guess,
> > > that's one should pay for extensibility and
> > security sake.
> >
> > if the presentation is on the client side (ala
> > AJAX), then there is only one security validation
> > (since the one done at client slide has no
> security
> > relevance and doesn't count :)
> >
> > Also note that doing data validation very away
> from
> > the business logic (i.e. the presentation layer)
> can
> > introduce massive exploitable blind spots
> >
> > For example, I did an audit to a struts based Java
> > App which had massive Authorization problems (and
> > some data validation issues too)
> >
> > Dinis Cruz
> > Owasp .Net Project
> > www.owasp.net
> >
> > ----------------------------------------
> > From: Pilon Mntry
> > Sent: 21 March 2006 07:36
> > To: Stephen de Vries
> > Subject: Re: [WEB SECURITY] How to Create Secure
> Web
> > Applications with Struts
> >
> > > It may not be a big issue, but I think it's
> > > important to understand
> > > how choosing the web tier as a security provider
> > > could impact the
> > > extensibility of the app down the line.
> >
> > Nice comment. In owasp guide it goes like this;
> >
> > "...the web / presentation tier should validate
> for
> > web related issues, persistence layers should
> > validate
> > for persistence issues such as SQL / HQL
> injection,
> > directory lookups should check for LDAP injection,
> > and
> > so on."
> >
> > However, with this approach when positive
> validation
> > (whitelist) is used, there probably will be
> > unnecessary double validation: one in presentation
> > layer and the other in business layer. But I
> guess,
> > that's one should pay for extensibility and
> security
> > sake.
> >
> > And this is for data validation only.
> Authorization
> > is
> > another issue...
> >
> > And nice article by the way.
> >
> > -pilon
> >
> > --- Stephen de Vries wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Great article!
> > >
> > > It did make me think of a particular
> architectural
> > > issue which seems
> > > to be cropping up more and more; that is, the
> > impact
> > > that
> > > implementing security in the web tier has on the
> > > future extensibility
> > > of the app.
> > >
> > > For applications that were designed as web apps
> > and
> > > will continue to
> > > only be web apps for the rest of their lives,
> this
> > > shouldn't impact
> > > much on the extensibility of the apps. If the
> > > validation rules or
> > > access control requirements change, these can
> > easily
> > > be changed in
> > > the web tier (and as you've shown Struts makes
> it
> > > really easy,
> > > because it's all declarative).
> > > But if the application needs to be extensible,
> > e.g.
> > > must have a fat
> > > client down the road or must expose web
> services,
> > > then any security
> > > implemented in the web tier would have to be
> > > re-implemented in all
> > > the other facades. To be truly extensible
> > > applications should
> > > implement security functionality in the business
> > > tier so that any
> > > changes to the presentation technology (or new
> > > technologies) don't
> > > impact the core functionality. E.g. for classic
> > > J2EE technologies
> > > this would mean implementing access control on
> the
> > > EJB's themselves
> > > rather than in the web tier. This is also the
> > > approach taken by the
> > > Spring framework: both access control and input
> > > validation are tied
> > > to the beans that form the middle tier, not the
> > > presentation.
> > >
> > > It may not be a big issue, but I think it's
> > > important to understand
> > > how choosing the web tier as a security provider
> > > could impact the
> > > extensibility of the app down the line.
> > >
> > > 2p
> > >
> > > Stephen
> > >
> > >
> > > On 20 Mar 2006, at 02:44,
> bugtraq_at_cgisecurity.net
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > "This article will focus on developing secure
> > Web
> > > applications with
> > > > the popular Java framework Struts.
> > > > It will detail a set of best practices using
> the
> > > included security
> > > > mechanisms. The first section will
> > > > provide an overview of both Struts and Web
>
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